It is in me a desire to KNOW for fact if Jesus is the true Messiach. I have researched and am of surity that he did exist and was a viable person in history. . . to KNOW though of his relation to the Almighty seems always to be at arms length away from my ability to grasp. I do want to believe, but I must know of what I am claiming as truth.
I believe you will find that Jesus fulfilled over three hundred separate Prophecies. Two or three, a Messiah, does not make, for sure. Three hundred, cannot be refuted. Mix gently with two tablespoons of Faith, pour over the heart, and watch the redemptive fireworks in your life.
In Messiah, His Shalom, and fireworks match. Arley
Read Hebrews 11:1, then Romans chapter 10.
To Zoradawn-
1) They say apologetics is really for believers and that if somebody gets saved it is because of scripture.
2) To use a phrase from BIble answer man the trinity is something we apprehend but do not comprehend.
3) Fact-Faith-Feeling is the proper order from Josh McDowel apologetics books so you have the right emphasis on fact.
It is in me a desire to KNOW for fact if Jesus is the true Messiach. I have researched and am of surity that he did exist and was a viable person in history. . . to KNOW though of his relation to the Almighty seems always to be at arms length away from my ability to grasp. I do want to believe, but I must know of what I am claiming as truth.
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One is
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other
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you can email tektonics with questions they will answer In 1 day or 2
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First of all again; Meschiach is a translation error of the English/ Hebrew, and does not define Jesus.Messiah is mostly on Chistmas cards , subtitles in the Bible, etc., G-d told David; Do not to kill his annointed; King Saul, as an example. Meschiach can mean; She's the best organ player in Church?Jesus never refferred to himself as ; Meschiach though he is annointed,, but also He is the Trinity of the One G-d ; Heaven, Earth, and Spirit;not 3 persons. Some Hebrew Rabbi's say because of no mention of Messiah; he wasn't, and Some Rabbi's say; Meschiach is not The same as the Torah speaks of; The Ruler of G-d's Heaven ;Descended Jerusalems Kingdom on Earth.. Jesus mainly refferred to himself as ; Son of Man, and every name in the book from others. There are many mistranslations from Ugaritic to Greek to Arabic,English, to The King of Englands translators standard of acceptability of translations ,leaving many controversial scriptures out; Book of Enoch, etc. though the jist of it in full makes sense to me .! by the Holy Spirit, but one wonders; What to interpret correctly,Like Virgin/Betulah/ Isaiah 53/ Geneology of Mary/ Joseph,etc. Hebrew translation is correct , and Christians should learn G-d's word first from the Hebrew . Telling most Rabbi's they are wrong is incompetant! Rabbi, it is we who need to be taught. There should be no conflict in scriptures, and I believe there is not as I search the deep roots of ; The G-d of Israel. Unfortunately not many believe that on both sides of the coin?I have learned an enormous amount of understanding of the Twelve Tribes/Bride of G-d; Israel, and feel such a great love for their Faith in G-d, and their affection to me! I never expected that! There is a place where we all shall know him, as the New Covenant is written of that place! It is agumentative if the Covenant is fulfilled. I believe it is set in place, but fulfilled? I hope not?
Robert, Shalom.
From your above, I deduce the futility of attempting to debate you, lest I be seen as incompetent, as well as inept. Your denial of the use of the term Meshiach, in God's word seems strange, when you consider:
(Dan 9:25 KJV) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
(Dan 9:26 KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
My Hebrew uses the word Mem Shin Yod Chet Strongs, H4899, which I believe is phoneticized as Meshiach.
Perchance Jesus, Yeshuah, Yashuah; is denied being related to H4899, because the Rabbi's do not believe Meshiach has arrived, and therefor could not have been used, or claimed yet? Just a thought.
In Meshiach, His Shalom, and vision. Arley
zoradawn~
My brothers have given you good advice. However, all the intellectual information in the world won't bring you to the true face-to-face relationship He wants with you, and you seem to want with Him. (One can know all "about" Him and still not know
HIM. Does that make sense?)
My advice is to read all that they gave you. BUT, sincerely, If you *ask* Him, He will reveal the truthfulness of Himself to you.
It is not "blind faith" based on "touchy-feeliness"...that is not what I am advocating. I am a "fact and figures" kind of girl myself...but it
really is something discerned/revealed on a spiritual level.
Ask His Spirit to answer yours and He will:
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you." Mark 7 NASB
He also knocks:
Here, I'm standing at the door, knocking. If someone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he will eat with me. Rev. 3:20 CJB
Crosswalk Bible Study tool to help you ijn your studies; read different versions, etc.
You might find this site helpful too (online concordance/lexicon to reference Hebrew/Greek words in scripture):
Blue Letter Bible online (By clicking on "C" next to verse it will bring up the lexicon word by word from the verse. It also has different versions and other tools available for study.
To Navyblue, Arley & All; I first must apologize to you about imcompetant, as yesterday I could not get back to explain that it was I who felt imcompetant of the translations of the Hebrew Scriptures.I have always used Messiah to define Jesus; God in man,Son of G-d, and was corrected by Rabbi's that Messiah/ Meschiach means; annointed in Hebrew, and does not define Jesus as who he really is. I have found translation a stumbling block to Judaism,and Christianity arguing their true interpretations of Scripture, which the scriptures say; Do not argue Scripture& Doctrine:It seems Only Hebrew/Judaism has that true defining knowledge of accurate translation. My friends are really upset, because they say; Now your saying I have to throw away all my Christmas cards?. I am not saying Jesus is not Meschiack, but if you know who He really is He is actually the one giving the Meschiack, for He is God; the Trinity;G-d in a perfect man ;Jesus, A new creation, like Adam , but unlike Adam, as Jesus retained perfection and is G-d!, 2nd.;God Complete;Heaven, and 3rd;The Holy Spirit.One Entity with 3 parts .Only by understanding the foundation of the Hebrew Scriptures have I now come to the deeper understanding of Jesus, my Lord.I believe G-d came to man ,in the body of a man ;Jesus, as We could not look upon G-d's true presence as could not Moses, as G-d spoke in a bush of fire.If you replace annointed to Messiah in the green highlighted words, you will find of Daniel 9;25-26 It interprets ; The annointed; Israel,shall rebuild the Temple of Solomon ; (Is Prophetic) in it's Glory; This is soon ! I believe; As Israel nows prepares for the rebuilding, and most is in place, even the Priests have been chosen with fitted Ceremonial attire. At the time of completion, The Anti Christ shall come with His armies to destroy the Temple and all of Israel. That is when I believe Israel shall see Jesus come to defend Israel, and they shall know him as G-din the form of a man. This is a second meaning of scripture / overlaythat can only be understood by the Altars light of the Holy Spirit. I believe this corresponds to End Daniel, and the measure of the Inner Temple and Altar of The New Covenant, and the Two witnesses spoke of in earlier discussons.It's to me where the New Book opens The Old Book.It seems though no one agrees much with my interpreting. The simple truth ;to not stumble is to know; Jesus shall always be with us, and if we stumble and fall, He will carry us. So if you stumble and fall, as we all do( especially me) sometime or another; fall on Jesus. He will always love us,and forgive us, and set our feet back on the ground and Israel!and make us wiser and stronger to not stumble again.His Love is so simple, But so Great! Shalom; Jesus refferred to himself humbly as; Son of man!I love Him so much!
NavyBlue,
The Hebrew word for moshiach is used throughout the entire Hebrew bible.
The funny thing is, the kjv tranalates the word to the English "annointed" everytime EXCEPT in Daniel 9. There, it translates to "messiah".
Why is that?