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Part 2: second half..............

So, getting back to the Gospel of Yeshua being for the Jew first, but also for the Greek. Why is there still this wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles today? By Messiaen's and some gentile Christians as well?

Which makes it ripe for Judaizers like Tovia Singer to deceive both a Jews and Gentiles believer in Yeshua. You know, "those Jews who say they are Jews but are not. But are of the Synagogue of Satan." As written of in Revelation.  While Gentiles Christians, no longer gentiles but graphed into Israel, "don't feel closer" to God without preforming former Jewish practices. And Jews because of the fear of persecution from the Jewish community. And the difficulty of Evangelism to the Jewish community.

Tovia accuses Christians of using a different bible, as though it is very different in English. The James version of the Tanach portion of the Holy Bible was taken from the Hebrew text. But He says it must be read it only in the Hebrew. With a Rabbi sure to follow. No doubt. He says we gentiles made Y'shua up. Yeah right! A bunch of dumb gentiles picked a Jewish Messiah. And we pulled one from a hat. You, know after these nutty Jews in Jerusalem found Him first. This Yeshua just happen to fulfill all the prophecies in the Tanach. And many nutty gentiles all over the world no longer live in darkness. We call a lowly Jew the Son of the Most High. What do you know! What are the odds in that, huh?


I tell you Christian/Messiaen People are no fun! Boring! That don't know how to confront and reprove. Using the WORD of God! They have to get bold for their faith! Turn over tables. You know. Make trouble. Shake up the nation! And be bold for Y'shua.

But I guess they don't want to.....Well... Offend. They rather stay quiet. What a boring Shhh.... Hush Hush Christianity/Messianity.

Hey, is "Messianity"  even a real word?  Aren't you tired of this wall of separation. Aren't you tire of this O' so tippy toed Christianity/Messianity?


Who will really stand for what the Christ/Messiah demonstrated when died on the cross and rose from the dead? ?

Just so you know, I am deliberately trying to PROVOKE! So speak up! Say...Something!....Anything! People of God. Is He (YAHWEH/Y'SHUA KING) not worth it? There is so much silly division and the fullness of the Gentile is coming to a End, if it has not already. Everyone is turning on Israel. Now it's time for Jews to come to Messiah. Even stubborn unbelieving Jews like Tovia Singer. Gentiles did not event Messiah, you know. A Messiah was last thing on a Gentile's mind. They were to busy running after their own lust and trying to appease angry demon gods.

This is it...For now anyway....................


God Bless You all in the matchless name of Y'shua!

Danny

Danny,




I have to admit I had a good chuckle over that one.

Never really did stop to think about that...as a concept.

Duya,

I'm hearing this from unbelieving Jews like Tovia Singer.

Danny,

Yeah, I checked his two websites last night.  He employs deception in his arguments.  I hate when they do that...  A vast majority of people will take his word for it without looking it up.

I was sent to Rabbi Singer from a Judaic blog to answer my questions about the Torah & Judaism. As I read his interpretation of scripture concerning the correlation of Torah and  New Testament, and many others they seemed quite inaccurate, I found in most of his interpretations mistakes; First; The geneology of Christ. He will not reply to my questions ? The seed of David; Rabbi Singer says; Jesus did not inherit the seed of David because He was born of Mary and not Joseph ;son of Heli,Luke 3:23 ,not in Davids bloodline ,and The seed determines the bloodline of the man, and Mary was not traced, and Luke and Matthew flagrantly contradict..Joseph was clearly the son of Jacob, and in translation ; ( 480+);son;is not in the original context; So it would be legitimate to to use; Son, or son in law in this context, and since Matthew and Luke record so much in common, the chance of a blatant mistake as the geneology of Christ mathematically would be ;480 in 45,576,875 ,000! However an interesting fact is that both parents  were decendants of David; Joseph through Solomon(Matthew 1:7-15) and Mary through Nathan ( luke 3:23-31)Marys line being the rightful aire carrying the seed of David , because Solomon's line had been refused the right of throne folowing the sin of Jechoniah. But again the question is; How could Jesus inheriting the sin of death from the seed of man ; Adam, be genetically perfect?There are over 48  Prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament, and in the 4 books of the Torah  the Son of Man/ Messiah/Moschiach ;Ruler of Israel; whoever you call him;He is G-d; another argumental mistranslation.The mathematical odds of Jesus resembling just 17 of those scriptures of Prophecy are ; If you take only a 50% resemblance of scripture figure; calculates to 462 in 4,000,000,000 X 4,000,000,000X 1,000,000,000,000. But to the point of a Sinless man. There was only one other. Adam was created perfect. So would not Jesus have to come from perfect DNA as well. I wonder if Mary or Joseph either  carrie a perfect DNA being under inherited sin? Jesus was fully human as Adam; a sinless, unique Creation! Adam is only refferenced to Jesus in that context ; without sin,( perfect DNA) but Jesus being of the singular Trinity; One God; 3 parts ; Father ,Son, Holy Ghost; Lamb of God ; Jesus being God in man;Human; but extension of God. Now the question is ; Betulah/ Alma/Virgin, Also Micah 5:2 Places the Ruler of Israel's birth in Bethlehem.. WHERE IS RABBI SINGER when you need him? If we could all sit down and reason then all Shall know Him; as the New Covenant is waiting to be fulfilled? We must have dialoge with diffrent opinions( without malintent) or we lose the freedom of our Creators plan of choice Israel has sufferred so long for .One choice is NO CHOICE!

I'm confused. The Davidic line can only be traced through males. Christians talk about "the Virgin Mary" which implies that Joseph could not have sired Jesus. So how can he be of the Davidic line?

Robert,

I agree. All Tovia wants to do is deceive Christians, and any Jew away from Messiah Y'shua. He would prefer men over women. All he does is deny truth. And decieve himself and say is, isn't. (Water is not wet. The sky is not blue...etc) But I'm still hoping for him.

I used to email Tovia too. And to be fair. He is a very nice guy. But he is still uses past Universalist Christian persecution as an excuse. Although many non-believing Rabbis, the Sanhedrin, and Knesset are very buddy buddy with the Church of Rome and the Vatican. Personally I think it is very convient and most hypocritical. But if they like it.........

So, I used to email Tovia, but I think I insulted him when, I told him I was not calling him Yahweh on the radio, I was saying Y'shus very name means "Yahweh saves His People". Tovia thought I was calling him God on radio. Rabbis are called God. Tovia have said this man times out his mouth. But Lord said call no man Father or Rabbi. But I made it clear I did not wish to become a unbelieving Jew without Y'shua. (I was joking about becoming a Jew part). He stop replying.

He was also very angry with me. I think I insulted him about something he should not be engaged in as a "High Priest". Nor would I acknowledge his was one.

I also scolded Tovia and Tamar Yona, because they we're laughing about this vicious attack on a young Messianic Israeli boy. His toes were blown of by fellow Haddisc Jews in Israel. I asked them, how was this any different from the Muslim terrorist. And they were using acronym to cures the Lord's name and did not think anyone knew what they were saying. I shock them. They almost mention my name on air.

I'd leave Tovia alone. He is a deciever who is very decieved himself. He loves is Talmud and Kaablah, more the Tanch and Torah. That would explain his blindness. But pray for the guy anyway.

To HaRav Yisroel ben Avrohom; My friend; I am thankful for your question, as I searched and prayed the Holy Spirit for this answer. Some answers are left to question of G-d, and He examines our Faith, as Abraham, as the veil is still rent, and Faith sometimes preceeds our understanding of G-d's Holy creation. So to answer your question I must first seek a question, so please forgive my indirect answer. The question is to begin with Avraham, or Abraham; Are they the same? Question:The seed of Abraham; Was the rightful seed Israel; from Ishmel, or Issac? and if the woman does not determine the rightful seed, then why Isaac, and how; I a Gentile can find acceptance into Your promise of the G-d of Israel, not being of either, male or female inherited seed, supposing that; Jesus was who He said He was? , and I know Him as such? Some Gentiles shall be accepted by your G-d's Grace? Is Seed  singular or plural; refferring to both Male and female entity, and again ; How could perfect DNA come from the seed of the tree of Adam, that all inherited and, the curse of Death? How can a woman determine the rightfull seed that became Israel ?; if  her DNA is  a not a factor? Why do you ; One of the Twelve tribes of Israel have the seed of G-d as his chosen; I presume from your Title, and I do not, nor the Descendants of Ismael? Does the Husband not wed the Bride, and the seed is formed? It seems every answer I recieved of Scripture interpretation by Judaism said; This refers to Israel; The bride. But a man with G-d's perfect DNA;The Father; It does not relate now in this case? Again; I hope the Covenant shall be fulfilled; As all shall know him! Bless you my friend in G-d's Holy name as you would believe in Israel's G-d; There is a place where only the illumination of G-d shall give light to His Holy word, and I believe Him as : Yeshua / Jesus. Thank you for listening , Robert the Grafted Gentile of the G-d of Israel; Perhaps a better name than Christian?

"I'm confused. The Davidic line can only be traced through males."

The New Testament teaches that Joseph did not sire Jesus, but that he was born of a virgin, Mary, with a conception by the Holy Spirit.  She did not remain a virgin, which is why the title "Virgin Mary" is inappropriate.

I understand that the descent is counted through the patrilinear genealogy, however, it is also true that virgins do not get pregnant.  If Jesus had another human father from some other tribe, then he definitely would NOT be in the Davidic line.  However, when a miraculous conception takes place, then a miraculous lineage can be established.  In that case, what difference does it make what lineage his parents had?

The fact that the biological mother, Mary, was from the tribe of David means that Jesus received genes from David, which means that he bore some physical resemblance to David.  Luke emphasizes Jesus' manhood, and that is why that Gospel goes through this physical, biological connection.  Mary gave Jesus his physical descent from David, although not his tribal identity.

Matthew emphasizes his role as king, and thus goes through the connection showing that Joseph was in the kingly line, even though the right to kingship by biological descent had been annulled by the prophecy to Jeconiah.  The argument is this: A biological descendant of David could no longer be king, but a son of a legally espoused wife of a biological son of David's kingly line could pick up that title.  I believe that some Jewish authorities deny this, but I wonder how they are so sure.

There are prophecies of the Messiah, such as Isaiah 11 that indicate a supernatural nature for that person.   How could that Messiah have those attributes as well as have a right to reign if he were to be a natural son of David?  Being a supernaturally conceived Son of God by a daughter of David who is espoused to a descendant of Solomon's line is the only way to accomplish this seemingly impossible task, as well as to fulfill the prophecies of Isaiah 53.  Also, how could David call a Messiah Son of David "lord" or "master"?

ThomasDGW, I believe Biblically, the line and geneology of the seed is traced and refferrenced in Biblical context through Males, although the seed/ DNA is in both parents.Virgin is translated ;KJV ;through similar Phonics ;( 400+) Ugaritic to be a latter retranslation of Hebrew to say; Alma, and defined by scripture association more than actually word for word Hebrew translation , therefore making it less innacurate in many places which is a big part of misinterpretation by Judaism. Betulah ;I was told is the definition of virgin.I do not have a problem with Young woman; as interpretation instead of Virgin; though I do suppose Mary was pure in heart and kept her virginity, with the customs of the Law's of Tradition and revenced and loved the G-d of her forefathers and followed her birthright, but many ( Catholics )( not all) put her into the same catagory as Jesus, and wind up leaving Jesus out of the picture,and make Christianity feel sterile , ! again which is why Judaism has emphasised Virgin as another innacurate telling of false prophecy, and do the same by focusing on man( Mary) instead of the G-d side ( Jesus).Mary went on to marry Joseph, and have children, and Jesus was adopted into the House of Joseph, so you are right that she was not; All women are virgins to a certain age, so the phrase young woman comes to interpret. A young bride ; Ripe and ready to be Wed, so bride more accuratly defines the word, and Jesus, which I think agains overlays and puts emphasis truth back to G-d , and Israel as the bride . Thank you Thomas; The Holy Spirit is really opening doors?The veil is still rent , and Israel's eyes are still not open, as in shadowed Chronicles 7;15;After the Feast's of Tabernacle,as G-d showed to Israel that they were His people, and to humble and seek his face , and He would forgive their sins and heal their land. As we look to Israel today. Formed again, and the remnant returned as in Micah 5;2-15; The prophesy is fulfilled; A Trinity meaning; One for Israel; One for God; and fulfillment of Covenant ; We see the movement of G-d's prophetic word ring true!The rest is next to come. I only say; focus on the understanding G-d, and not to man limited resources of explanations, Well said Thomas!