JFJ Forums - This generation...the (re)birth of the Nation

OK... as many of us do, I am thinking on end times.

And wondering about "this generation shall not pass"...

Most of us understand the importance of Israel becoming a true/legal nation in the world, but:

Is it 1948? 1967? or even in the future as Israel does not possess the Temple Mount?

And the reason I ask is that many of us are waiting...and thinking that 1948 could mean between then and 2018 (*if* "a generation" is 70 years).

Or, 1967 could mean around 2037.

OR...we don't know when because of the Temple Mount situation. Or will that be part of our Conquering King's return?

Any thoughts, people?

Ripley's Wrote:

OK... as many of us do, I am thinking on end times.

And wondering about "this generation shall not pass"...

Most of us understand the importance of Israel becoming a true/legal nation in the world, but:

Is it 1948? 1967? or even in the future as Israel does not possess the Temple Mount?

And the reason I ask is that many of us are waiting...and thinking that 1948 could mean between then and 2018 (*if* "a generation" is 70 years).

Or, 1967 could mean around 2037.

OR...we don't know when because of the Temple Mount situation. Or will that be part of our Conquering King's return?

Any thoughts, people?

good question also to throw something your way it could also mean race for Generation

http://www.thingstocome.org/whatgen.htm

I say more likely 2012 to 2019 is the Tribulation.

Quote:

Deuteronomy 28:64-68 (New King James Version)
64 “Then the LORD will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods, which neither you nor your fathers have known—wood and stone. 65 And among those nations you shall find no rest, nor shall the sole of your foot have a resting place; but there the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and anguish of soul. 66 Your life shall hang in doubt before you; you shall fear day and night, and have no assurance of life. 67 In the morning you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were evening!’ And at evening you shall say, ‘Oh, that it were morning!’ because of the fear which terrifies your heart, and because of the sight which your eyes see.
68 “And the LORD will take you back to Egypt in ships, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”

I think that an exile of so-called "khazar" Jews and Christians (Jewish, Khazar and other gentile, and Jewish Khazar) may come under the Obama Administration.

Quote:

Matthew 24:15-28 (New King James Version, underlined brackets mine)

The Great Tribulation

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[a] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath[Friday, 21 December 2012, begins both the Winter and the Sabbath.]. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

More "Rapture" and dispensationalism confusion.... There is no hidden meaning in "this generation". The warning was a prophecy about the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., 40 years after it's utterance. (See Mt. 24:2 for context). Historians record that no Christians were killed in the cataclysmic destruction of Jerusalem because they all heeded Jesus' warning and fled to the hills. Does it really make sense that Jesus would make such claims to his disciples if he was referring to an event 2000 years later rather than to what was to happen to "this generation"? It's time to leave behind "Left Behind" eschatology (an invention of man dating only as far back in time as the 1800s)

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I say more likely 2012 to 2019 is the Tribulation.

Thanks YoY...actually that's what I meant, Tribulation, not Return...but didn't say it. Forgive.

*LOL*

Just as Elijah came again as John...

...so does the generation that seeks the Messiah come again.

Do not say "I am not asking how I came before" and stop there!

Believe that the Lord will permit you to be more than a mere seeker!

No, wk, it has nothing to do with rapture.

It has to do with the Tribulation and His second coming.

See v 27 of Matt 24 that YoY posted?

Ripley's Wrote:

Is it 1948? 1967? or even in the future as Israel does not possess the Temple Mount?

And the reason I ask is that many of us are waiting...and thinking that 1948 could mean between then and 2018 (*if* "a generation" is 70 years).

Any thoughts, people?

As I pray; The Lord tells me ; We will not know the hour, but shall know the season, when the sea's roar, and earthquakes,pestilence, disease, and men heart's shall fail, and wars ; rumors of wars. These events happenned all through the existence of earths history, and men said; G-d is coming now; and did not. Now you bring about an event foretold in Ezekial/ Daniel/ Revelation of when the remnant of the children of the twelve tribes of Israel return ( I believe 1948) The generation that see's this happen some shall not die and see G-d's return to fulfill His promise.That makes it 2012-2019,? I believe. 2012 is predicted by many False religions, as well as astronomers, and even Judaic, and Christians, to be; Doomsday/ though the earth will never end, and Israel will never fall, but as Obama said; (though I don't think He gets it);(or maybe He does as an usher of Antichrist/)? A change. It is a time when once in 26,000 years the planets align with the sun in a staight line, and said will cause the moon to appear Red?We can only keep Faith in G-d's promise as we all only have our lifetime; maybe for some ;today is the last day we breath, or 5-10-20 years from now we pass, or be carried away , and Heaven on Earth will come. I say look to the day that our lamps are full , for the night comes, soon His return!

wkirscher Wrote:

More "Rapture" and dispensationalism confusion.... There is no hidden meaning in "this generation". The warning was a prophecy about the destruction of the temple in 70 A.D., 40 years after it's utterance. (See Mt. 24:2 for context). Historians record that no Christians were killed in the cataclysmic destruction of Jerusalem because they all heeded Jesus' warning and fled to the hills. Does it really make sense that Jesus would make such claims to his disciples if he was referring to an event 2000 years later rather than to what was to happen to "this generation"? It's time to leave behind "Left Behind" eschatology (an invention of man dating only as far back in time as the 1800s)

First it was not an inventing in 1800s I will quote som one that lived hundreds of years before this.

Evidence of pretribulationism surfaces during the early medieval period in a sermon some attribute to Ephraem the Syrian, but more likely the product of one scholarscall Pseudo-Ephraem, entitled Sermon on The Last Times, The Antichrist, and The End of the World.[5] The sermon was written some time between the fourth and sixth century. The rapture statement reads as follows:

Why therefore do wenot reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelmsall the world? . . . For all thesaints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come,and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm theworld because of our sins.

This statement of evidences a clear belief that all Christians will escape the tribulation through a gathering to the Lord and is stated early in the sermon. How else can this be understood other than as pre tribulational? The later second coming of Christ to the earth with the saints is mentioned at the end of the sermon.

http://www.pre-trib.org/article-view.php?id=250

also for the rapture WS I would get a greek lexicon and look up t he word caught up and see how it is used.

We’ve been through this before in other threads.  The letter you mention is called the “Pseudo-Ephraim” letter.  The true author and his credentials are unknown but what is agreed by all scholars is that it was not written by Ephraim of Syria.  If a pre-trib rapture was taught by any of the apostles or their successors, we would certainly see more evidence of this teaching in the early church.  Instead, aside from this obscure anonymous letter from the 6th century, that many believe isn’t even really referring to a “rapture”, there is absolutely nothing that supports this teaching that surfaced in the 1800s.  It baffles me that this “Left Behind” tradition of man has taken on the life that it has.  None of the fathers of the reformation believed in it, neither do the Catholic or Orthodox churches.  The teaching can be traced back very specifically to a man named John Nelson Darby (~1850s).

The clear and simple meaning of Jesus words was addressed to “this generation”.  The people heeded these words and fled to the hills and avoided the cataclysmic destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem.  Secular historians report these very facts.  I ask again:  Does it really make sense that Jesus would make such claims to his disciples if he was referring to an event 2000 years later rather than to what was to happen to "this generation"?

For those who puzzled by this new pre-trib rapture teaching, I suggest reading “The Apocalypse Code” by Hank Hannegraf (a.k.a. The Bible Answer Man).  “The Rapture Trap” by Paul Thigpen is another good read.