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To make Aliyah. You can be a Communist, an Atheist, an Agnostic, a Musilm, a Sexual Pervert (Gay), a left wing Socialist, non Kosher, or you can be just about any kind of Jew you want to be and still make Aliyah. Even if you are a Palestinian, Israel will make room for you. But if you are a Messianic Jew you can't go back home to Israel.....And that is absolutely unfair!!  

You can if you have your papers from your barmitzwa and circumcision and things like that but you have to be discreet.

You can if you have your papers from your barmitzwa and circumcision and things like that but you have to be discreet.

I know messianic jews that say you have to get a letter from a Rabbi, (a messianic rabbi won't do) if they find out that you believe in Yashua they wont give you the letter and the state of Israel won't let you emigrate and I say that is discrimination.

Funny, but I thought discriminantion was like the Natzies forcing the Jews to wear a Yellow star of David.

It only confirms this (all NASB):
Isa 28:16 -
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, " Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone {for} the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes {in it} will not be disturbed.

Ro 9:33 -
just as it is written, "BEHOLD , I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED ."

1Pe 2:6 -
For this is contained in Scripture: "BEHOLD , I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER stone, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED ."

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I LAY IN ZION A CHOICE STONE, A PRECIOUS CORNER STONE


Yes there is a Corner Stone in Zion and his name is Yashua. He is the stone that the builders rejected and are still rejecting today, He is Israel's only hope.

Noah Green

Besides that. In the U.S.A. you couldn't immigrate for a long while if you where a Catholic, or Communist eather. I don't know if that is for communists still the same.
But some of my family from Holland couldn't come in the late 1940's for they had been communists. (what communism is there in Holland anyway?) But o.k. I find that understandable, not hypocracy.  But don't claim than that the U.S.A. ''gives freedom for all''.

So especially whan the U.S.A. was a new state, the threath of being overruled by Catholics and Spanish colonies etc. was bigger.

So please let Israel also have their time to create their own identity as a state. Besides the fact that a lot of Jews where just killed and refused help by a lot of Christian states, before the Israeli state was created.

You have missed my point entirely. A Jew can be anything and still make Aliyah, But if they believe in Yashua they say that they are no longer a Jew and can not make Aliyah, I said that is wrong.

So especially when the U.S.A. was a new state, the threat of being overruled by Catholics and Spanish colonies etc. were bigger.

Get your facts right, there were Spanish colonies here before this was considered America and there were Spanish Jews here (some of my family) in north and South America because they were expelled from Spain by the Catholic King and Queen of Spain. Many Jews came to the USA because of the Diaspora of the Jews all over the world, and YES, some of them were Communists.

Any one that is of Jewish blood and loves Israel should be able to live there.

Exactly, it is supposed to be a Jewish state.
Jews who make aliyah may or may not be religious
( most are), but Israel is a safe haven for Jews.
It should be a Jewish state, and Jews who hold
religous beliefs that contradict Torah and have accepted
a foreign religion should not be allowed to immigrate.
It's a holy land, and even if Jews often fall short of being
a holy people, it does not change the fact that Jews
who hold idolatrous beliefs- verses no beliefs- should
not be allowed in.

However, many "Jewish" messianics are not halachaly Jewish
and may make aliyah as gentiles if they fall within the legal
guidelines.

O.K. Noah Green I didn't miss the point.
But I think JFJ ''lovingly'' boycotted my first post for I was a bit angry. And your way of attacking sounded more lovely I think... :-)

Anyway I wrote that I know enough Christians, sometimes even not having the right of return at all, who are allowed to make Aliya or are allowed to stay for years.
Partly because Messianic groups mixed up fundings sometimes, and claimed that money was for Jews, sponsored from abbrought, but they gave it also to Churches and non-Jews. Or the intermingling getting Jews to Jesus by bribery (what is forbidden according to Jewish and the Zionsist laws) Messianics where excommunicated to deal with synagogues and other groups.

I don't say all the groups do it, but the rotten apples made it worse for the others.

Besides that, You wrote that it is for Palestinians it's easy to come in, which is totally not true. I don't think it's for them easier than for Messianics. But they have more rights, because of the grounds where they lived etc.
Besides that according to Torah/God a person living in the country has to be circumsized, what a lot of Palestinians are, and most Christians not.
Besides that Israeli Law, is friendlier than religious Law, and even than God's laws. For according to Zionists laws you only need 1 grandparent who kept Jewish tradition at least, no mather from what side.

Also the Greek-Orthodox and Russian-Orthodox have special rights, aswell as the Scottish Church for they behaved quite well, during the British mandate and afterwards towards the Jews. Of course not the German Templers, and some pentagostal movements etc.
So Israel is more picky than others.

So I come from the same Spanish group. It was the Dutch government (incl. Menashe Ben Israel) that overruled the English and later the U.S.A to take Jews. It where the Jews from Surinam that proclaimed freedom of religion even before the French, after they fled from the inquistion in Brazil.
And Holland-England had a war against Spain etc. So I only say it's logicall.
JUST AS logicall that a lot of Christians during WW-II murdered Jews, so why should we suddenly trust them, or believe in their message of ''love''. While my family didn't get food from the protestant Church as a policy etc. etc.
I'm sorry but there was never an iquistion on Americans, and not even the communists overruled the U.S.A. So that war and fear always was different than a religious war that can chase you even in your own country, like we had last year some neo-nazi's in Israel. And during WW-II even some Christian Mamzerim where Nazi's and Messianic so Israel has to be carefull

Jesus said; Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcized in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost, as your fathers did, so do you.[ At least you don't get stoned to death anymore?]If they hated Jesus, so count it worthy they hate you, for you are the elect! The time is coming when the last shall be first, and the first last. The God of Israel has opened your eyes early for a purpose! Soon you shall know. Wait upon him, we will pray a hedge of protection around you. I admire the Messianics greatly, for you stand in the Apostles shoes now!and have much to teach the Gentiles of Judaism?