JFJ Forums

No one REALLY knows until they die.  

Except the One who left heaven to come here and tell us: Yeshua/Jesus.

But to be sure, take Pacal's Wager.

"No one REALLY knows until they die."

The Bible not only tells us things, but explicitly says that we can know those things (I John 5:13, for example).  If you say that we cannot know, then your statement means that the Bible is not true.  So, what you are really saying is that you know is that the Bible is not true.  Now I can ask, "How do YOU know that?"

But even Jesus said... ''nobody knows but the Father''

I think in Matthew 24, Mark 13.

But I don't know if Jesus realy didn't knew, or pretended not to know.
Well Jesus is not God anyway, so how can he know?

This is the whole point of believeing special revelation that the Bible is the Word of God.

With no Bible then you are philosophizing and end up not believing in anything.

Yetzirah~



That was specifically about the hour and day of His return.

He spoke quite a bit about heaven, hell, our lives on earth, Torah observance, etc...just as Messiah was/is expected to, with knowledge and Authority, not speculation.

AMEN Chad! Only the Bible is the revealed Word of God.

That verse is about The second coming not what heaven is like or Jesus knowing or not what it like.


as for Jesus not being God you would have to throw out jesus own words.

Hmmm, Jesus' lack of knowledge of the timing His Second Coming is due to Him being tied on Earth with a finite brain though He has an infinite mind, and for Him to have full recall of the timing of His coming requires Him to be back on the Heavenly Throne, as the infinite perspective is what enables God to know and select the timing of the coming of King Messiah.  This strange situation with Jesus was symptomatic of His humbling and living as a true human, but only temporarily.