02-01-2009, 02:19 PM
02-02-2009, 09:37 AM
What do you mean???
If a Jew believes in the Torah, according to Mozes he is allready bought and saved by the Almighty.
So maybe The Almighty might find it a waste of time for some Jews to read the Christian Testament.
Some Jews might find it interesting. And for some Jews it might be an eye-opener to be more friendly to some Christians?
Your command seems to be to short for me. Off course The Almighty is smart enough, and luckely smarter than us.
If a Jew believes in the Torah, according to Mozes he is allready bought and saved by the Almighty.
So maybe The Almighty might find it a waste of time for some Jews to read the Christian Testament.
Some Jews might find it interesting. And for some Jews it might be an eye-opener to be more friendly to some Christians?
Your command seems to be to short for me. Off course The Almighty is smart enough, and luckely smarter than us.
05-22-2009, 01:14 PM
if you have never read the new testament you should,Jesus and His disciples are devout jews they dont abandon their beliefs or God but Jesus does have issues with the religious leaders who keep the scriptures out of the hands of common people and place rules and regulations over love and mercy and He is not just a prophet He is a direct decsendant of king David,He is a teacher,He is a healer but most of all He is God in a temple of human flesh walking with man and instructing man on how He should live, over 300 predictions of Jesus and His ministry can be found in the old testament and if man truly seeks to please God and not himself the words of Jesus truly are words of life.
10-20-2009, 12:53 PM
"If a Jew believes in the Torah, according to Mozes he is allready bought and saved by the Almighty.
So maybe The Almighty might find it a waste of time for some Jews to read the Christian Testament."
Yetzirah, I agree with your first statement. However, there is a huge IF in that statement. In this forum I have encountered many Jews, including yourself, who would say they believe in the Torah, however, when it comes down to really believing it, they don't. "It is an anthropomorphism." "It is figurative." Etc. Etc.
Now, take your statement back one step. If believing in the Torah is sufficient for salvation, which I agree it is, then why in the heavens did God give the Writings and the Prophets. Why read them? Why read the Talmud? So you can be more friendly with some Jews? Well, I will tell you why you should read the Writings and the Prophets AND the New Testament. God wants you to know Him better, and the Prophets, and the New Testament allow you to know Him better. As you know Him better, you just might find out, as you see things from different angles with different examples, that you really were not believing in the Torah as you thought you were. That is a mighty good reason for paying attention to all of God's word, and it certainly wasn't a waste of time for God to make those additional writings available.
So maybe The Almighty might find it a waste of time for some Jews to read the Christian Testament."
Yetzirah, I agree with your first statement. However, there is a huge IF in that statement. In this forum I have encountered many Jews, including yourself, who would say they believe in the Torah, however, when it comes down to really believing it, they don't. "It is an anthropomorphism." "It is figurative." Etc. Etc.
Now, take your statement back one step. If believing in the Torah is sufficient for salvation, which I agree it is, then why in the heavens did God give the Writings and the Prophets. Why read them? Why read the Talmud? So you can be more friendly with some Jews? Well, I will tell you why you should read the Writings and the Prophets AND the New Testament. God wants you to know Him better, and the Prophets, and the New Testament allow you to know Him better. As you know Him better, you just might find out, as you see things from different angles with different examples, that you really were not believing in the Torah as you thought you were. That is a mighty good reason for paying attention to all of God's word, and it certainly wasn't a waste of time for God to make those additional writings available.
10-21-2009, 09:37 AM
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Now, take your statement back one step. If believing in the Torah is sufficient for salvation, which I agree it is, then why in the heavens did God give the Writings and the Prophets. Why read them? Why read the Talmud? So you can be more friendly with some Jews? Well, I will tell you why you should read the Writings and the Prophets AND the New Testament. God wants you to know Him better, and the Prophets, and the New Testament allow you to know Him better. As you know Him better, you just might find out, as you see things from different angles with different examples, that you really were not believing in the Torah as you thought you were. That is a mighty good reason for paying attention to all of God's word, and it certainly wasn't a waste of time for God to make those additional writings available.
Well, let me start that it doesn't take back my statement one step. But I explained myself wrongly and not clear, I take the statement back and will explain the following:
One of the things/rules in Judaism/The Almighty is: to let's say stay within The Almighties promise of being within the Jewish nation (and IT'S blessings) is to believe that the Torah came from The Almighty (not man made), even if you don't act like it asks. But there is no statement that you loose all the blessings or salvation, if you just don't believe it.
THAN: It is written IN the Torah, that The Almighty bought us and saved us (as a tribe/nation), in the song of Moses for example. So even there is not written that we should believe, otherwise.... NO just a simple fact that He bought us and saved us.
That's it. Why do you say that I believe in it like anthromorphism or figurative etc. I don't think I said that.
So If a Jew believes in Torah, and just doesn't do 1 or 2 other things (to long to explain) He is still Jewish and within the promise of allready being bought and having rights within His ownership. If Jesus wants to take that away for Jews, or claims that it is only through him etc. it sounds that it is against that rule, and that Jesus is more selfish than God.
The Prophets and Talmud are there indeed also to know The Almighty better, but it was and is also practicall to know in different times, what to do, how where people acting etc. We don't need the Torah or Talmud for Salvation, Abraham and Noach where also saved without any book, the knowledge was important.