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prophet Wrote:

sugarman Wrote:

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I often wonder if Tongues of today time can be understood by other nations.

so many tongues believers that say if you do not speak it your not saved i wonder if The tongues they speak can be understood by all nations without any knowledge of Jesus or spiritual gifts of the HG.


Actually yes...a few months ago a pastor in Russia heard tongues and interpretation given in English by a woman he later found out knew not a word of English.


A membe of the Special Forces has proof other than his word that he belongs to the Green Berets,Rangers or Navy Seals and it isn't his hat badge it is either a token only he carries or other way of distinguishing whether he is truly Special Forces.

Tongues is the same it is the evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost it is what seals the child of the Most High God...Jesus.      
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Tongues is the same it is the evidence of the infilling of the Holy Ghost it is what seals the child of the Most High God...Jesus.      
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tongues is what seal us with the holy spirit? that weird my bible says different that believing is what seals One


Ephesians 1:13 (King James Version)

13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Light_Seeker Wrote:

There are three elements that are necessary to sustain life; they are blood water and spirit. Without these three life can not possibly exist. The scripture declares: “And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three things agree in one.” What do these three bear witness to? Of course they bear witness to life. The Hebrews were delivered and totally set free from their hard bondage to the Egyptian task masters through these same elements; (blood) of a lamb on their door post, pillar of fire by night and cloud by day (Spirit); and by the Red Sea (water). Paul writes: “Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all of our fathers were under the cloud, and passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;” It is pretty evident that they were baptized unto Moses (their deliver) by water and Spirit. These three elements were witnessed in their deliverance from the Egyptians. They were completely set free from their heavy bondage as their hard task masters were buried under water for ever and a new life awaited them.

After His new birth message (Jn3:5-8) to Nicodemus, Jesus then points him to Calvary, to the third element blood.  It is clearly evident from other scriptures that the blood is in His name. Many quote John 3:16 but fail to look at John 3:18. (Jn 20:31; 1Jn 2:12; 1Jn 3:23; 1Jn 5:13; Act 4:12; Act2:38; Act 10:43; Acts 22:16; 1Cor 6:11) Jesus completely sets us free from our bondage under the harsh task master of sin as the old man ( the body of sin) is crucified being buried with him by baptism.(Romans 6:4 – 6) He is our deliver as we are baptized into Christ. When Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born of water and of the Spirit, He was definitely referring to baptism. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body…and have all been made to drink into one Spirit,” “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?” Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in the newness of life.” These scriptures indicate the operation of Spirit and water which is necessary. That is why Acts2:38 is absolutely correct. These same three elements are witnessed. Jesus name for remission of sins; (blood) Baptism (water - old man, old nature, body of sin buried); Holy Ghost (Spirit, the resurrection power into a new life, new nature, new creation) 2Corth 5:17.

Thats really unique, and inspiring . I never really thought of the coorrelation, Thank you!
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I often wonder if Tongues of today time can be understood by other nations.so many tongues believers that say if you do not speak it your not saved i wonder if The tongues they speak can be understood by all nations without any knowledge of Jesus or spiritual gifts of the HG.   [/quote= Robert]]I highly doubt it, but again ; there are tongues, and there is a prayer language, both being one of the lesser gifts. We all have unique gifts G-d gives us , and together we are in His oneness. but to say your not saved because you don't speak in tounges is Radical Apostalisizm, or in other words ;Redneck 4 wheel drive pickup truck drivers for Jesus Christians from Kentucky!
Robert Wrote:

Also when Jesus spoke to the woman at the well,He said; The water I can give you will be a water that you will never thirst again; speaking of the Holy Spirit , and eternal salvation , and the blood of eternal salvation. The redemption of the Physical, and spiritual restoration from the G-d of Israel; The G-d of Isaac, and Jacob!


Yes also John said I baptize you with water but one that coming after me is stronger and he will baptize you with the HOLY GHOST.   I think this is important because it does not read water but Holy ghost.   Someone that truly confess their sins and repents and believe on Christ they are instant filled with God spirit therefore baptize in The Holy ghost. water baptize is The sign that a believer does to show what the Hg already did inside the believer. it no wonder why the apostles held back baptize in scripture until One has believe and repented.
sugarman Wrote:

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Yes also John said I baptize you with water but one that coming after me is stronger and he will baptize you with the HOLY GHOST.   I think this is important because it does not read water but Holy ghost.   Someone that truly confess their sins and repents and believe on Christ they are instant filled with God spirit therefore baptize in The Holy ghost. water baptize is The sign that a believer does to show what the Hg already did inside the believer. it no wonder why the apostles held back baptize in scripture until One has believe and repented.


If that were true then why did this happen?

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.  

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.  

If the Holy Ghost was already in them why would He (Jesus) need to fall on them?



prophet Wrote:

sugarman Wrote:

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Yes also John said I baptize you with water but one that coming after me is stronger and he will baptize you with the HOLY GHOST.   I think this is important because it does not read water but Holy ghost.   Someone that truly confess their sins and repents and believe on Christ they are instant filled with God spirit therefore baptize in The Holy ghost. water baptize is The sign that a believer does to show what the Hg already did inside the believer. it no wonder why the apostles held back baptize in scripture until One has believe and repented.


If that were true then why did this happen?

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.  

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.  

If the Holy Ghost was already in them why would He (Jesus) need to fall on them?






prophet because when peter was preaching they The gentiles came quick into believeing in Jesus before peter was even finish talking. They knew what peter was saying is true. When those gentiles Believe what was being taught THEN they were filled with the holy ghost.



If the Holy Ghost was already in them why would He (Jesus) need to fall on them?


The ones that peter spoke to came believers while peter spoke not before he spoke.
prophet Wrote:

[quote=sugarman]
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Yes also John said I baptize you with water but one that coming after me is stronger and he will baptize you with the HOLY GHOST.   I think this is important because it does not read water but Holy ghost.   Someone that truly confess their sins and repents and believe on Christ they are instant filled with God spirit therefore baptize in The Holy ghost. water baptize is The sign that a believer does to show what the Hg already did inside the believer. it no wonder why the apostles held back baptize in scripture until One has believe and repented.


If that were true then why did this happen?

Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.  

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.  

If the Holy Ghost was already in them why would He (Jesus) need to fall on them?
[/quote= Robert] Read ;John chapter14
Sugarman....

No baptism....no salvation....

1Pe 3:21   The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:  

and I don't get your point....the Holy Ghost FELL on them they did not already have it....and afterwards they were baptized so what exactly is your point?

John's desciples were RE-BAPTIZED in JESUS NAME because John's baptism did not impart the Holy GHost.

Hearing...believing....repenting....then Holy Ghost falls before baptism or after baptism makes no difference....BAPTISM is a commandment NOT a suggestion.
prophet Wrote:

Sugarman....

No baptism....no salvation....

1Pe 3:21   The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:  

and I don't get your point....the Holy Ghost FELL on them they did not already have it....and afterwards they were baptized so what exactly is your point?

John's desciples were RE-BAPTIZED in JESUS NAME because John's baptism did not impart the Holy GHost.

Hearing...believing....repenting....then Holy Ghost falls before baptism or after baptism makes no difference....BAPTISM is a commandment NOT a suggestion.



1Pe 3:21   The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Take a good look at peter 1 3:21 AND this part



not the putting away of the filth of the flesh

is peter talking about literal filth like dirt? if so then would not baptism would literal remove dirt because your in water? or maybe peter was talking about a different filth of flesh like sin? also read the last part

but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

The Good consicence Comes before baptism anyone who truly believe and repents on the spot and means it have now a good consience.

Noah and his wife were save through the water by The Ark.  The ark was there means of salvation anyone else that was in the water was killed.

The Ark is Jesus we rest in HIm for our salvation and the waters (baptism) reminds us of what saved us.
John's desciples were RE-BAPTIZED in JESUS NAME because John's baptism did not impart the Holy GHost.

Hearing...believing....repenting....then Holy Ghost falls before baptism or after baptism makes no difference....BAPTISM is a commandment NOT a suggestion.


John's desciples were RE-BAPTIZED in JESUS NAME because John's baptism did not impart the Holy GHost.

more like The Authority in jesus name. When the apostles were ask what authority you have to do such things they said in The name of Christ. reading matt 28;19 is easy to understand the apostles might have said In the name of jesus ( taking his name in Authority) i baptism you in the name of The father, and of The son, and of the holy ghost.


Hearing...believing....repenting....then Holy Ghost falls before baptism or after baptism makes no difference....BAPTISM is a commandment NOT a suggestion

You believe it a commandment to become saved I believe it a command after One is saved. prophet

The apostles always waited until One both comfess and repented before baptism and also take a look at this scripture.

Romans 8:7 (King James Version)

7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

I think if your not a Calvinist or have some of their beliefs this verse is going to be pretty hard to understand.
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