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Since there are so many people that have a negative image about Islam and the Muslim communityPlease note that intention of this thread is not to convert no one to Islam but to provide information to the reader about how a true muslim thinks.



Topics discussed:

a) Jesus in Islam
b) Jews & Judaism
c) Zionism
d) Israel


"(...)Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, Jesus, Muhammad .. and all the ones in the Old Testament [peace be upon them] we believe they are all Prophets/ Messengers.

We believe they taught Islam but their messages were corrupted over time. So Muhammad [pbuh] came as the Seal of the Prophets [i.e. the Final Messenger] We don't know the hierarchy of Prophets, we like to view them as all equal - but we love Muhammad [pbuh] the most because he showed us the way of Islam and on Judgement Day, we believe every people will be divided into groups with their own prophets.

Jews I love like brothers and sisters - they are the chosen people of God, and were raised up above all nations - but only a minority follow the true path today.

The Jews that follow the Torah and believe like the Haredi Jews are good.

But the ones that reject Jesus and Muhammad [peace be upon them] and follow the Talmud [the Talmud was written by corrupt rabbis whilst the Jews were in slavery under Nebuchadnezzer - and in the Talmud it says Jesus was a bastard and was born by Mary being raped by a roman soldier] and who are Zionists [Zionism is a political ideaology which has nothing to do with Judaism - it was created by Rothschild [of the famous bank money Jewish family] and Lord Balfour [English politician] - together, they created Israel.


So I hate zionism, I love Judaism and 'true' Jews and I believe the Zionist state of Israel is illegal and would prefer one state where Jews and Muslims have equality - equal rights, equal votes - but the zionists don't want this. They think Jews are superior and Goyim [non jews] are animals.


These are videos of true good Jews who follow the Torah. According to true Judaism, the Jews were never meant to have a homeland, God had scattered them to wander around the globe. This is in true Jewish teachings which is explained by the Rabbi in this video.

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There's only parts of the interview. Not complete.

To Promogit-
Are you an Arab Muslim raised speaking Arabic and reading the Koran?

If so I credit you for finding love for Jews that is not in the Koran.

Also, I find your ideas about the equality of Jews to be more Western than Koranic.

Thanks for giving it a try.  But I think you need to study the Bible some more if you want to get your Israelology right.

I have an urge to reply in a manner that would get me banned from this forum. But let me just say I very much dislike the lies that you just typed.

primogenit, Shalom.

Thank you for revealing the feelings of 'a' Muslim.  Now, if that 'a' Muslim can convince all 1.5 Billion fellow Muslim's, we, all, 'may' be able to rest well, in our beds.  'My' problem seems to be that even a cat does not have enough lifetimes available to survive until anyone could 'rest well.'

What-ever you do, however, is do not in anywise reveal the identity of the Muslim involved in the above interview, or we will loose our one and only supporter type Muslim, on planet earth.  (OK, maybe there is another, somewhere, but is well hidden)

Please overlook my attitude of disbelief, because my attitude just 'is' what it 'is.'  As long as the Koran specifically says anyone not a Muslim must be subjugated, or be killed, DEAD,  I will maintain my Second Amendment right to own weapons of defense.  Nuff-said.

In Messiah, His Shalom, and trust.  Arley

primogenit~

Please explain the principle of Al Takeyya to me.

Chad, In a pm to me one time, he indicated that he was an American black man.

The Talmud was written long after Nebuchadnezzar's time.  It was compiled in the AD 70-500 period.  So that's wrong for a kick-off, as they could hardly criticise Jesus in it if it was from Nebuchadnezzar'a time.

Where do you get this from??? source please?
A Single Muslim, or a group?

He makes all kind of mistakes.

What does he mean like the Haredi... ?? They are the most busy with Talmud.
And what is written in Talmud about dogs etc. is taken out of context.
So he is for Haredi, but than they have to believe in Jesus?

Doesn't he know that Jesus is in Koran a higher judge at the end of days than Mohammed. Can't he himself not read Arabic?

How does he come at the idea that in Israel Muslims don't have voting rights, or not all equal rights??? The election was just last week, a lot of muslims did vote, but here in Jerusalem they often don't go.

Zionism was an idea allready long before Balfour and Rothchild. Besides that, Jews lived always in Israel. How can it be illigal if the majority of the U.N. Agreed with it, and the muslim countries obeyed those days the U.N. (on paper).  How can a Palestinian or Jordanese state than be legal? Jordan was allready taken from the promised Israel after the League of Nations approved the Balfour declaration.

So I guess he's not well informed. But indeed this is how a lot of Muslims think.

Besides that, He doesn't talk about Izaak, nor King David.
When I talked with a muslim once about King David, only then he started to think why Jerusalem didn't had always been a Muslim City...

This is frightening, if this is what a "true Muslim" thinks.
All you post does is reinforce this negative image you
are trying to fight.




They certainly did not teach Islam, and their messages were not
corrupted over time. The Torah is perfect, and no need of clarification
by a false prophet.



And what path is that? Islam? Only those who agree with you?




The Oral Law was given by the Almighty to Moses, and existed in non-
written form long before the time you are talking about. The rabbis
who wrote it were not corrupt. They were following the madate
given to them in the Torah to interpret the Torah for Jews.

The Christian Jesus is not mentioned in the Talmud. Please quit
looking at anti-talmudic websites.

Jews returning to their homeland has everything to do with Judaism.




You are dreaming if you think Muslims will ever want to live
in peace with Jews. Jews have a long history of living in
peace with their neighbors; Muslims not so much.



Quit telling us what is correct according to "true Judaism".
You aren't a Jew, and you aren't qualified to make such statements.

True good Jews are the ones who agree with you,eh?
According to true Judaism, the Jews have always been meant
to return to Israel. Your video link did not make it into the
post, but if it is the Neuteri Carta or some other such organization,
they do not approve of the current state of Israel, but do believe
it will exist in  the future when moshiach comes and it is a Torah
based country. The vast majority of the Jews disagree with
their position about the current state of Israel.





This is an all out anti-semitic lie. I am really disappointed
in you, Primo. I used to think of you as a friend, and I used to
respect you. That is gone. Your post is vile, disgusting and
full of untruths.

I really hope this forum has an "ignore" feature, because I
intend to use it.

Interesting, he told me he is Canadian of Portugese descent....
and a convert to Islam.