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"Thomas let me ask you, would you not be bothered if a Chrsitian group started that ran around, telling everyone that they are Christians, yet Jesus is not the Messiah and G-d,..."

Chayim, those kinds of groups do exist.  That is why I took the time to answer what YOU thought was a purely sarcastic, unrealistic question.  Yes, it does bother me, because I believe that those groups are influencing people to abandon hope of an eternity in the kingdom of the Messiah.  If I believed as you do that there is no life after death, I wouldn't care a hoot.

"Christianity though say Jesus came to replace the laws.....and these laws are of importance to "Jews"  so the moment you want to totally throw these laws out the window....you are no longer a Jews!"

If you hear anything I say, I hope you hear that I have nothing to do with any religion that says that Jesus came to replace the laws, and that Jewish believers are to throw the laws out the window.  I do NOT believe that.  The New Testament does NOT teach that.  Jesus said the opposite in Matthew 5:17-19.

"Why if a Jew wants to believe in Jesus...can he not just accept he is becoming a Christian?  If you want to remain  Jewish, then go study Judaism."

I am not a Jew, so I can't answer directly, but I do know that many Jews who believe in Jesus love their Jewishness, and some were even hounded and persecuted for being Jews, and to flippantly say, "Okay, I'm not Jewish any more," as you request, would be too much.  How about saying, "The Orthodox rabbis have got Judaism wrong.  Jesus gets Judaism right.  I'll follow Jesus, the correct Jew."

I have no interest in Reform Judaism, just as I have no interest in any Christianity that puts men's interpretations above God's word.  I am interested in parts of Orthodox Judaism, but am very disappointed in it.  If you read the testimonies of Moishe and Ceil Rosen, you will see that before they looked into the New Testament, they had become disillusioned with Orthodox Judaism.  Try fixing that problem, if you can, before you get on the case of Jews for Jesus.

First of all, thank you again for a reasonable and informational response.  This is not the place for daggers but for words.  In the quote I chose above the only word I see that is relevant is 'world'.

you asked me what is the point if the 'world' is such a mess?

why spare Noah and his family ((was it for the sake of the animals?)) Sin came back full force in drunkeness and family dissention..the very moment the crisis was over.

the world is NOT the garden.  Never has been.  Has always been the exile of man.  Doesn't matter what religion, what belief, what monumental love you have for your fellow man...because this 'world' is not the Peace of G-d.  You have to know that? Chayim.  The point of believing the Messiah has come is that the Promise is that for a little while He would be lower than the angels ...He will send His servant to the place He has exiled man...the place He never intended to have man remain.  And show them the way back.  Messiah means that to me.  I am a Christian...and I do not deny that I wondered for a long time why we were different from the Jews.  I don't wonder anymore.  I have found it is a personal relationship that cannot be given to anyone.  No relationship in the whole world can 'give' the LORD to you.  You must turn and repent.  You must submit yourself.  This is the Passover, and as a person not well versed, allow me this one tiny thing..ok? Chayim.
There is one question that says "Why do we rest on a pillow at this meal?"  for me, when I heard that the answer was because we were once slaves and now are free...according to His promise.  I understand the meaning ((or if you will I romanticize the meaning)) To include that anyone, anywhere who believes the LORD's promise to them will become free.  Catch number one...the world has become overgrown with unbelievers.  Peace of the LORD may come worldwide after the living and the dead are raised, caught up to the sky and transfigured in the blink of an eye.  Because they will have a new heaven and a new earth for a home; And a new Jerusalem.  The Understanding of His Peace will be with them.  It is the only way I can reconcile the Promise of the LORD; this exile, our status quo; His coming; and world peace.  Can you explain it in any other terms.  Perhaps you would share Old Testament teaching on the subject, You have been so willing to share, so far, Chayim.  Thank you.

bye for now,
kimberly

bye for now,
kimberly