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The Corinthian church was drawing unlearned members into it's ranks through speaking in tongues simply by allowing them to be ignorant   concerning a "tongues" true meaning and interpretation.

That is why the apostle Paul taught on the subject of tongues. It is not the ONLY manifestation of the Spirit.

For instance, fixing your eyes on someone in the wrong tone of voice can be interpreted in a negative manner if the Holy Spirit, the Word of God (Christ Jesus) , and the Father of Spirits is not consulted.

Your right tongues is not The only manifestation of the spirit hence paul words many gifts but one spirit

What is up sugarman?

A lot of times I think a christian brother has ALL the gifts and they come out timed by the Holy Spirit, in different orders as the ind. needs come before you.

For instance,

You could give an evangelistic message one day, pastorally counsel  the next, make a phone call and give a word of knowledge, and then shake hands with a friend and deliver your healing touch in less than an hour.

That might mean in KJV lingo "Severally as He will".

Peace out home... or Shalom!

Speaking in other languages (tongues) is a practical...useful and needful gift for the person evangelizing.

Tongues+Interpretation=Prophecy
Prophecy is conducted by a prophet. A prophet brings the good news first and foremost and other needful information to a barbarian society. If the tongue is known by the prophet, then tongues and the interpretation of that tongue is not needed. Prophecy is for those that know the tongue. Tongues and the interpretation of languages are a perfect method for bringing the gospel in the peoples language wherein they were born.

Tongues-Interpretation=Gibberish and useless...no prophecy is made.

Where on earth or heaven does Tongues and Trinity ever cross paths?
Shalom,
Christopher

Chrikaren and others





I heard often people speaking in Tongues etc. while I studied religions...
But I ''as a Barbarian i think I am named'' got not evangelgized by it. So off course you think that it's completely my wrong hart, openess etc...

But sometimes people amazed me, like saying that the speaking in tongues of 1 lady supposed to be Hebrew...  Well I speak Hebrew daily and learned some Aramaic. But what she spoke was not even Esperanto or Papiamento, so I didn't understand a thing.

But I'm happy that God can renew the spirit within us like King David asks.
For me that's much better than to start to understand what person speaking tongues is just pretending or not... We had our false prophets also, but in Christianity I didn't see realy a good system to regocnize fals prophets.

Speaking in a tongue unknown to the speaker is wonderful, but speaking in a unknown tongue without an interpretation is useless. Only God knows who is a false prophet and who is true prophet for certain, but He does allow us to make informed decisions concerning the heart of a prophet based on his conduct and speech. We are constantly told in scripture to be aware that there are people that will try to deceive the church, folks that will bring another gospel and false doctrine....such as the trinity...to lead the church astray.
The system is simple, universal and always right. Test the spirits.

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:2-3

Notice that John did not say Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is God is of God.
Another great proof is found in Dueteronomy.

If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deut 13:1-3

Also read Deuteronomy 18:18-22
God gives the gift of discernment when it benefits the church, but if the church is not His, then they can believe anything they want.
IMHO, the church failed the test when they voted in Jesus Christ son of God as Jesus Christ God the Son.

Shalom,
Christopher

Chikaren
Sounds like a good explanation, thanks.

Only I was surprised by the translation of Deuteronomy 18, for the word Church was written... I allready thought maybe community is written in The Old Testament? But nothing of that at all.

So where did you get this translation from? or is it another tekst?



My translation says totally other things from vers 18-22 and on... (for the division in Chapters is a Christian invention).

Anyway 18:22 and 19:1 explains why we AS JEWS(that is what this text is about) should not fear upright fals prophets. For we shall posses The Land anyway, etc. etc. and God will cut down the nations.

So I totally don't understand the filled in text with words like Church etc. but it might be a not so good translater or player with words/tongues. :-)

Yetzirah231:

I've been checking out your post and you have to be the smartest most wise Jew in the whole forum. I am assuming you are in the faith of Judaism. Correct me if I am wrong. When you post, you don't post in an unbiased way. You are open minded. Not falling into someone's misinterpretation. That is how I am and I like that. We might disagree on things but at least you seem to be open minded. I am Christian. I have friends who are in Judaism. Judaism has truth. I just believe the interpretation is a bit off from some inside of Judaism. Not the religion but the people inside of Judaism. Just like in Christianity. Some Pastors are a bit off with their interpretation. I favor no side but God's. If I am wrong and someone can prove it through the word then I humble myself and I get corrected. That is why I think it is ridicules there are so many different denomination. When we all die and we meet our maker, God isn't going to judge you because of Religion. He is going to judge you based on his word. Judaism started with the Jews. Messianic Jews/Christianity started with the Jews too. The difference from the two is Messianic Jews/Christianity have already Identified the Messiah. The Orthodox Jews haven't yet. It is still the same God we all serve. Jehova Elohim. I just wanted to say you have impressed me out of all of them on this forum that are in Judaism.

Y231,
The versions are a bit different in division..
In the JPS version the verses are Deut. 18:20-22

20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.'  
ë21 And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?'  ñ}  22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him. {S}  


I feel a bit misunderstood about my use of the word church. The Church, to me, are those souls called out to trust and follow God. The church is the sum of those souls that trust and follow God no matter what ethnic background they may have.
Jesus Christ conquered and owned his yetzer hara, and God made him both Lord and Christ
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Acts 2:36
Israel did not do this alone however. The Gentiles, represented by Rome, did the dirty work of nailing him to the cross. Israel and the nations commended the death of God's chosen one. We were both party to this and we both have access to God because of this sacrifice.

"For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us].... Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; Eph 2:14-19

Shalom,
Christopher

Come to think of it...it makes sense that we are brought back into one big family. We (Israel and Gentiles) come from one family and one father...Noah. In reality we are brothers. The only thing that separated us was this... Israel was chosen to follow God, keep his commands, and be a light to every nation. Eventhough the nation of Israel failed to do this as a whole, there was always a remnant...an ember burning, a root that would not die.

And there shall come forth a shoot out of the stock of Jesse, and a twig shall grow forth out of his roots.And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD. And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the land; and he shall smite the land with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. Isaiah 11:1-4

The root grew until it sprouted from the ground. This sprout was Christ Jesus. He was the chosen one of God, the promised propitiation for Israel and the nations.

"Sing aloud, O ye nations, of His people; for He doth avenge the blood of His servants, and doth render vengeance to His adversaries, and doth make expiation for the land of His people." Deut 32:43

Tongues and Trinity have nothing in common. The doctrine of Trinity is a myth and a dangerous one at that. Tongues, speaking in other languages is a useful tool given by the Spirit of God to spread the good news of what YHVH has done for the world. He has given us a path to follow that is good and unadulterated by our hands.

Shalom,
Christopher