10-24-2006, 04:39 AM
Christ come from. Was it a name given to Yesua by non-jews or what? I believe all followers of Yesua must accept all the teachings of the Old Testament or we cannot even become to understand all that Yesua was and is!
10-24-2006, 04:39 AM
10-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Hey Bob.
In Acts, the first Christians were Messianics of "the Way". Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the WAY". In Hebrew, the Way that would have been used is "ba", because "ba'ah" is a door-way, and Jesus also said in John 10:7,9 "I am the Door." Ba is a "way" or "path" that is like being at the end of a sidewalk that leads up to and includes the actual door and entry-way of a house or end destination.
If the way is "natib", it would be a point of salvation repentance, for natib can take you from a point where you are right now, and be from here to the desired destination. But "Ba" would have been the choice, as the imagery of the Temple, and the direct inflection (where BA reversed becomes AB - the WAY to the FATHER).
The term "Christ" appears in Acts 11, after some Jews of the isle of Cyprus and the African province of Cyrene were converted to believing into Yeshua as Messhiach, -- probably converted at Stephen's trial in, and stoning just outside of: Jerusalem -- these came to the great metropolis of Antioch of Syria (Acts 11:20). These men were probably converted out of the very same synagogue that Saul (who later became Paul) had hailed from with Gamiliel (Acts 6:9). To this point, Christianity was a segregated faith, primarily preached only to those of the House of Israel (Acts 11:19).
At Antioch, for whatever reason, these men preached the Gospel to the Greeks of Antioch, and it was as if Pentecost fell upon the goyim. Groves of Gentiles became converted. These adopted the name of "Christos" or "anointed ones", the Greek version of "Messhiach", "the anointed". They were "anointed" into the family of Israel through Messiah: as strangers who became as sons and daughters under the message of Isaiah 49:1-6.
The Romans, who ruled and occupied the city of Antioch, were highly
shocked and repulsed at their goody-goody behavior, referred to these as "Chrestians" - "the gracious ones". There was a natural animosity of Syrians / Romans towards the Jews, and not just in Antioch. Josephus records that there was a segregated community of Syrians living as far south as Caesarea who were always at odds and in hostile conflict with the Jews; perhaps, simply because they were Jews (much like Hezbollah in our current day, for example).
Therefore, to the Syrians and Romans of Antioch, just the very presence of having even converted "Chrestians" about, convicted one of the delights of vulgarity and vice -- the means of pleasure and escapism in their day. Ignorantly, the Romans thought that if these "gracious ones" believed in a head or chief savior, then His name must be the root word of "Chrestian", or "Chrest". The name stuck in Roman historical annals for decades to come.
If we say we possess the "truth" ("emet" in Hebrew), we also declare that we possess the inversion or "tema" of the Hebraic letters. "Tema" is the "last or final fruit". If having the last word isn't insult enough, I guess telling unbelievers we also have the "truth" and "the last or final fruit"...well, it just drives them ballistic. Shalom.
In Acts, the first Christians were Messianics of "the Way". Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the WAY". In Hebrew, the Way that would have been used is "ba", because "ba'ah" is a door-way, and Jesus also said in John 10:7,9 "I am the Door." Ba is a "way" or "path" that is like being at the end of a sidewalk that leads up to and includes the actual door and entry-way of a house or end destination.
If the way is "natib", it would be a point of salvation repentance, for natib can take you from a point where you are right now, and be from here to the desired destination. But "Ba" would have been the choice, as the imagery of the Temple, and the direct inflection (where BA reversed becomes AB - the WAY to the FATHER).
The term "Christ" appears in Acts 11, after some Jews of the isle of Cyprus and the African province of Cyrene were converted to believing into Yeshua as Messhiach, -- probably converted at Stephen's trial in, and stoning just outside of: Jerusalem -- these came to the great metropolis of Antioch of Syria (Acts 11:20). These men were probably converted out of the very same synagogue that Saul (who later became Paul) had hailed from with Gamiliel (Acts 6:9). To this point, Christianity was a segregated faith, primarily preached only to those of the House of Israel (Acts 11:19).
At Antioch, for whatever reason, these men preached the Gospel to the Greeks of Antioch, and it was as if Pentecost fell upon the goyim. Groves of Gentiles became converted. These adopted the name of "Christos" or "anointed ones", the Greek version of "Messhiach", "the anointed". They were "anointed" into the family of Israel through Messiah: as strangers who became as sons and daughters under the message of Isaiah 49:1-6.
The Romans, who ruled and occupied the city of Antioch, were highly
shocked and repulsed at their goody-goody behavior, referred to these as "Chrestians" - "the gracious ones". There was a natural animosity of Syrians / Romans towards the Jews, and not just in Antioch. Josephus records that there was a segregated community of Syrians living as far south as Caesarea who were always at odds and in hostile conflict with the Jews; perhaps, simply because they were Jews (much like Hezbollah in our current day, for example).
Therefore, to the Syrians and Romans of Antioch, just the very presence of having even converted "Chrestians" about, convicted one of the delights of vulgarity and vice -- the means of pleasure and escapism in their day. Ignorantly, the Romans thought that if these "gracious ones" believed in a head or chief savior, then His name must be the root word of "Chrestian", or "Chrest". The name stuck in Roman historical annals for decades to come.
If we say we possess the "truth" ("emet" in Hebrew), we also declare that we possess the inversion or "tema" of the Hebraic letters. "Tema" is the "last or final fruit". If having the last word isn't insult enough, I guess telling unbelievers we also have the "truth" and "the last or final fruit"...well, it just drives them ballistic. Shalom.
10-26-2006, 04:23 AM
Brianroy Wrote:
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If we say we possess the "truth" ("emet" in Hebrew), we also declare that we possess the inversion or "tema" of the Hebraic letters. "Tema" is the "last or final fruit". If having the last word isn't insult enough, I guess telling unbelievers we also have the "truth" and "the last or final fruit"...well, it just drives them ballistic. Shalom.
"Having the truth" can be an issue among the gracious ones too. I heard a missionary express a mild disapproval, like a weary sigh, toward those who "have the truth." But he did not mean to say Christ was not the Truth.
It is compelling how the exact reactions toward Christ and Christians then are demonstrated today. All attitudes seem to adjust but that one.
I am assuming (not having the same references) that the title "Christ" was then used by the apostles who spoke to the gentiles?
10-26-2006, 04:40 AM
Bob1 Wrote:
Christ come from. Was it a name given to Yesua by non-jews or what? I believe all followers of Yesua must accept all the teachings of the Old Testament or we cannot even become to understand all that Yesua was and is!
As a person who grew up with a consistent Christian education/parental example and exposure to church life, this education touched on all the main points of the identity of Jesus, and what He did for us. It was like an outline, or a line drawing. I am not saying the Baptists had no better knowledge; I'm saying I lacked it.
Later in my life, a more comprehensive verse by verse study of the entire Bible (OT and NT), was very helpful, and it actually pulled me out of a downward spiral that all Christians can be caught in when too far from the Lord Jesus. As the study went through the OT scriptures and especially the pentateuch (esp. Leviticus), the Lord Jesus Christ was pictured through the sacrificial system in a much more understandable way; but the wonder of what He is and has done I can't fully understand even through study, but that will be our privilege to examine all through eternity. Such exposure to OT scripture in particular has helped tremendously in discerning false teaching.
10-26-2006, 09:34 AM
Unger's Bible Dictionary says that the word "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Christos" which means annointed. Strongs says that "Christ" is derived from "chrio" which means to rub with oil, or by implication, to consecrate to an office or religious service.
Does anybody know whether the Septuagint translated the Hebrew word for "Messiah" as "Christos"?
Does anybody know whether the Septuagint translated the Hebrew word for "Messiah" as "Christos"?