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An article from Dr. Michael Brown.
http://realmessiah.askdrbrown.org/Read/E...diasm.html

Interesting article, but I would think to be consistent that absolutely
NO rabbinic customs should be followed. None.

Messianics should not decide whether they want to light
shabbas candles, following rabbinic traditions as to the
wearing of tallis, tefillin, yarmulkes, lighting chanukah
menorahs, daven the way we do, use our siddurs, or emulate
ANY Jewish customs whatsoever.

To agree with the article but to follow rabbinic traditions because
one chooses to, is to me the height of hypocracy.

However, I do agree with article that messianics do not need
to follow rabbinic traditions. But I would take it a step further
and say they SHOULD not. They should develop their own
traditions.

I don't know Michael Brown very well, but after reading his piece on Rabbinical Judaism, my respect for him went up at least a couple notches from where it was.  I hope that Messianic Jews take his comments to heart.  I just wish he had not qualified his statements with apologies for stepping on toes.  Messianic Jews should NOT call their leaders Rabbi, should NOT talk about Rav Shaul, and should NOT wear the Tallit.  Michael Brown should NOT call his school a Yeshiva.  Anyway, I am encouraged that he has moved in this direction.

I recommend a further piece by Dr. Brown

http://realmessiah.askdrbrown.org/Listen...right.html

If you don't agree with him, take it up with him, email him and he will talk the issue out with you.

Are you not aware that Christianty was Consider Judaism prior to the fall of the temple?

my view is messianic can light menorahs etc... because tradition is what it is tradition. it is man made but it not wrong to follow.

sense I do not believe tradition is God breath  i see nothing wrong with keeping some traditions as long it does not go against any teaching of the the NT.

But if tradition is God breath then you would have a point it is hypocracy.

I just wanted to make my last more clear.


When i said if tradition was God breath then it would be wrong to pick and not follow things in a whole.

Messianic Judaism is Jewish just like the follower of Zabbatai Zvi. There's nothing wrong by calling our teachers as Rabi as Yashuah was called Rabi in HIS time. We can be RABBINICAL because we follow Rabi Yashuah Ha MAshiakh. We dont have the Talmud but we have the Brit Kadasha. Yashuah even wear a Tallith, somewhere in Brith was written that a woman was healed when she take hold of Yashuah's Tallith hem/wings. A kippah was a cap of identity not of TORAH origin, The celebrations was of TORAH origin who happens to be a part of our BIBLE, Hanukkah was celebrated by Yashuah it was not a celebration of Rabbinical issue but it was a NATIONAL celebration of the JEWS whatever or whenever they are...

Using a tradition by choice is fine UNLESS it goes against New Testament teachings.  By all means, celebrate Hannukah.  However, Jesus said you must not be called rabbi (Matthew 23:8).  If you want to be called rabbi because people called Jesus rabbi, then continue with the same rationalle and claim your place at the Father's right hand.  Paul said men are not to cover their head while praying for it dishonors our head (I Corinthians 11:4).  If you want to go to Paul and tell him, "I didn't obey your instructions as an apostle of the Lord because I wanted to seem more Jewish according to rabbinical standards," well, you go right ahead, but let me know when you are about to do it so I don't have to witness that unpleasant scene.

Thomas,
Here lies the problem. You dismiss the "rabbinical teachings" but take heed in the teachings of Paul.

So you can believe that covering your head during prayer "dishonors your head" as per Paul.

I choose the teachings of the Rabbi's that say covering your head shows reverence to the Almighty and that we are always "under HIM".

It's funny how the Catholic church disagrees with Paul. Why else does the Pope cover his head? I don't see him taking it off during prayer, unless I am mistaken.

I must admit, that was the first time I heard of that teaching by Paul.