I watched a documentary on the History channel , and it said ; The Muslims say Christianity has been perverted by idolatry, and condems the Graven Images of Christ , and Mary in the Catholic Churches, and then says;We believe in the Commandments of God unto Abraham, and Yeshua; we hold as a Holy prophet, and Christianity, and Judaism have been corrupted; but they failed to bring up the point that after Abraham;they believe God chose Ishmael, not Isaac,and is what Christianity bases it whole existence upon ;Israel; The G-d of Isaac and Jacob into the bloodline of David. It is a very decieving religion, but I'm sure they believe , as they die as martyrs for what they believe! I do not believe in worshipping graven images, and I believe in the Commandments. I believe that is what the Commandment means by graven;[ to worship these images as your God], or we would have to take all the pictures off our walls. I had a hard time overcoming what this verse meant. I started out as an artist, and gave it up , and tore up many masterful pieces I did, after becoming a Christian, but Is it not how we look upon an image that G-d speaks of, and not the image itself? I started out in a church also, and was singing Christian Music , and sang on Christian radio, and I started to feel obsessed with performing , and G-d made me step down because I was so convicted in my spirit. I thought I could pray and sing to men for God, instead of praying , and singing to G-d for men! I think it is to be obsessed with , or make anything in this world or in Heaven your God; money, cars, singing ,art, relationships, food, alcohol, drugs, animals, people, etc.;saving One that is G-d Himself! I really enjoy these forums, as I am constantly being humbled by all the Hebrew scholars, and theologians, as I only have the knowledge of falling 25 feet on my head and being brought back to life by G-d and led back to this world by His Son, Yeshua. That doesn't look very good on a resume! I find myself struggling to keep up with, and always fall short of knowledge, but I have learned;G-d is about G-d , and praising His Glory, not our own.
Hi Robert;
I hope this note finds you in recovery, to health.
I understand you confession of your desire to make art, and depict your heart's eye for the majesty of the LORD.
I just want to tell you that it is something to say..'here is a majestic view of a creation that the LORD showed me.'
and an entirely different thing to say; 'Here is the LORD.'
I ask you this simple question. Is there any time, whatsoever, that the LORD is not to be worshipped?
be careful, with your answer. It is a slippery slope to define times and situation where the Almighty is just not worshipped.
Jesus' image is defined in scriptures..and the most important concept about his personna...is that He is not comely. That anyone would desire Him.
ALL of the portraits I have seen follow a lovely image of a handsome man.
I know that it is out of the desire to show how much the LORD portrays His beauty to us, that we, inturn, depict Him as lovely...But..Robert...He lives...and He has image that is really, really, real. And who would you rather come upon, the LORD of the Bible, or a guy that you see in images, that might even provoke some to jealousy, envy, lust, and even desires outside the confines of marriage?
I think that it is self discipline, and just good stewardship to wait on Him to reveal to us all...as it is written..the day is coming when we shall see Him. I am willing to wait, and watch.
I do communicate via prayer daily, and I know He is coming soon.
Can't you teach others to do the same, with your art? Pray, and call His name, and even echo the cry
Maranantha, Come LORD.
bye for now,
kimberly
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Hi Robert;
I ask you this simple question. Is there any time, whatsoever, that the LORD is not to be worshipped?
be careful, with your answer. It is a slippery slope to define times and situation where the Almighty is just not worshipped.
Can't you teach others to do the same, with your art? Pray, and call His name, and even echo the cry
Maranantha, Come LORD.
bye for now,
kimberly
[/quote= Robert] I try to make my walk ; One breath at a time. I try to look to the moment instead of the end of the day,so I don't miss the inbetweens, but still my frustration makes me stumble, when roadblocks get in the way[It is Grace that carries me, and allows me to rise again! ].The Lord always says to me; Be still and know that He is G-d.Do not worry about the things I have no control over, but I find myself worrying about the line of what I do and don't have control over! We do not know what lies ahead ;even an hour from now , let alone a day! [Except the Lord is Yeshua!]I guess I climb the slope one slip at a time! {Haha}. I have not been able to do my artwork since my fall, but I have done a few drawings ,and wall art ,and graphics, but now ,I only desire to be a Potters assistant. Blessings, Robert
I understand you to be in the first few months of recovery, by your post. Robert. You are reaching out, in words that describe a very, very grey area for you
..."How long must I wait?"...is just written all over your post. The wait is over, He is there, talk to Him openly...even the little aches and pains, are His concern too...now. While you are in pain, so is The Holy Spirit in the pain with you. Talk to Him openly and honestly, Robert. Recover WITH His help, His ear to bend, His presence to comfort you.
I am praying that the time you spend, in such a state of total need...You find that He cares for you, deeply, intimately, and He is drawing close to you in your time of need. He is your minister, afterall.
I finally am having surgery on the 17th. of November!, and will be about a year of surgeries , and recovery. I hope I find a Kit Kat with Jesus's face on it, so I will have someone to talk to during my absence with all of you. [just kidding] Thank you for all your comfort , and prayers. It has truly been a test of Faith,that has challenged my reasoning ability, and emotions, as well as my physical health; but whom shall I fear?,not this world; for I am your's Lord! Robert
May the Lord uphold you through this month and bring you onward to minister to others here on earth. Don't be in a hurry to move on to be with the Lord. We'll have a really long time when we finally get there. November is also a dangerous month for me, as I turn 53 that month and aging has been known to be quite hazardous to health!
I am not sure that Kit-Kat bars are healthy, so get somebody in Britain to send you some Marmite so you can scrape the lid again and again in hopes that Jesus' face will appear LOL!
The command says not to make images for YOURSELF. I understand that to be the key. There is nothing wrong with art if it is not for yourself, "my image", "my picture", which thus becomes an object of worship. However, I particularly think we should not make pictures of what we think Jesus looked like because we are bound to distort something about Him in our picture, and also because it is hard to disassociate worship from what we think is a picture of the Word of God made flesh. My mother was an accomplished artist and she would never paint Jesus. I have a beautiful picture of hers on my wall of her idea of one of the disciples passing out bread to the multitudes. People see it and say, "Oh, there is Jesus." and I have to explain it is not.
Don't let them remove your sense of humor...Robert....and know that we're all praying for the year to pass by as swiftly as possible, and that all that must be completed to return you to health, will be accomplished successfully.
bye for now,
kimberly