08-03-2009, 01:50 AM
08-04-2009, 03:32 PM
(1) I could reverse the question on you. Why have there been no Christian prophets for the last ~1900 years, since the writing of Revelation? Where is the god of the Christians?
(2) As to your question, we believe that the Temple is the conduit for divine revelation in the world. Anyone who didn't have prophecy b4 the first destruction was therefore forever unable to attain it. Though the Temple was rebuilt 70 years later, it was lacking several components, including the Ark of the Covenant. This is because the Jews' repentance was as yet incomplete, causing G-d to warn us through Daniel even b4 the rebuilding that the second temple too would be destroyed. When we finally repent fully of our sins and, with G-d's help, overcome our evil inclinations, the third Temple will be built, never to be destroyed (last few chapters of Ezekiel and Isaiah 66), and prophecy will be restored (Joel 2).
(2) As to your question, we believe that the Temple is the conduit for divine revelation in the world. Anyone who didn't have prophecy b4 the first destruction was therefore forever unable to attain it. Though the Temple was rebuilt 70 years later, it was lacking several components, including the Ark of the Covenant. This is because the Jews' repentance was as yet incomplete, causing G-d to warn us through Daniel even b4 the rebuilding that the second temple too would be destroyed. When we finally repent fully of our sins and, with G-d's help, overcome our evil inclinations, the third Temple will be built, never to be destroyed (last few chapters of Ezekiel and Isaiah 66), and prophecy will be restored (Joel 2).
08-05-2009, 01:48 AM
Robmachugh Wrote:
Since Malachi, there has been no new Jewish prophet.
So do believe the Jews.
How these non- messianic Jews explain it?
I do not understand your question.
08-07-2009, 12:16 PM
Jew4Judaism Wrote:
(1) I could reverse the question on you. Why have there been no Christian prophets for the last ~1900 years, since the writing of Revelation? Where is the god of the Christians?
(2) As to your question, we believe that the Temple is the conduit for divine revelation in the world. Anyone who didn't have prophecy b4 the first destruction was therefore forever unable to attain it. Though the Temple was rebuilt 70 years later, it was lacking several components, including the Ark of the Covenant. This is because the Jews' repentance was as yet incomplete, causing G-d to warn us through Daniel even b4 the rebuilding that the second temple too would be destroyed. When we finally repent fully of our sins and, with G-d's help, overcome our evil inclinations, the third Temple will be built, never to be destroyed (last few chapters of Ezekiel and Isaiah 66), and prophecy will be restored (Joel 2).
1)
Revelation for the Christian is complete. Jesus is G-d in the flesh who came was dwelt among us.
2) So if the non-Messianic Jewish person is in sin, why not repent? Why doesn't the nation repent? Seems like Israel has enough tsuris to compel them to return to G-d. Why not repent and allow G-d to work mightily as He did in olden days and smite your enemy for you?
I would be happy to see that myself. If Israel lived up to her end of the bargain, there wouldn't be so many terrorist Iranians, and the like.
08-10-2009, 02:35 AM
Jew4Judaism Wrote:
(1) I could reverse the question on you. Why have there been no Christian prophets for the last ~1900 years, since the writing of Revelation? Where is the god of the Christians?
Only false prophets as He said.
10-26-2009, 02:14 AM
Jew4Judaism Wrote:
(2) ... , causing G-d to warn us through Daniel even b4 the rebuilding that the second temple too would be destroyed. When we finally repent fully of our sins and, with G-d's help, overcome our evil inclinations, the third Temple will be built, never to be destroyed (last few chapters of Ezekiel and Isaiah 66), and prophecy will be restored (Joel 2).
Nice try Jew4Judaism!
However your exegesis has no cogent evidence.
The only reference to the Temple in Daniel are Here.
A vague reference to the Temple in Isaiah 66. (Here and Here)
Just a description of the third Temple by Ezekiel.
Joel did speak about the return of prophecy (Here); but not in the context of the Third Temple (Here).
Sounds like your Rabbi elaborated a personnal exegesis that is certainly appealing; however delusive.
10-27-2009, 07:24 AM
The Prophesying is complete in the 'Last Greatest Prophet,' Yashuah HaMashiach. Now, we stand, with eyes opening to see, watching Prophecy coming into fruition of all uncompleted prophecy, now, and at the end of Yashuah's Millennial Reign of final purification of the masses. Da 8:11,13,14; 9:17,26; 11:31 indicate we are close, so very close
May He return to us, soon, very very soon.
Beware of the 'signs and wonders,' generated to mislead, by the Beast.
In Messiah, His Blessing, and Watchfulness. Arley
May He return to us, soon, very very soon.
Beware of the 'signs and wonders,' generated to mislead, by the Beast.
In Messiah, His Blessing, and Watchfulness. Arley
11-04-2009, 01:09 PM
So there's been no Christian prophet (at least none accepted by a broad cross section of Christendom) for 1500 years or so. Granted that's nearly half as long, but what makes 2460 years a problem and 1500 not?
11-05-2009, 07:43 AM
Besides what Jew4Judaism said allready.
We as a nation have to recognize a prophet or King etc.
There where more Kings, and even with King David there is an example... The Almighty did allready choose him to become King... BUT at that time he wasn't inmediatly... He had to be annointed by the prophets, and even after that he was not King over the whole nation so not recognized. Only when he was choosen by the mayority and annointed for the 3rd time, he was King.
With Prophets, there it was maybe even more difficult. There where thousends of prophets, and would-like to be prophets during biblicall times. Some made it into the bible who where recognized by the nation, and some got their own ''book''/story in the Bible. But most of the ''prophets'' where never recognized, for some made mistakes etc. We had to find out who was a real prophet and who not.
Also with Messiah, more then 10 people where claiming to be the Messiah in Israel during the last 100 years before the 2nd Temple fell. So off course we don't recognize all of them, or 2 at the same time, etc.
Nowadays there is no High-Court / Sanhedrin who will decide for the whole nation if there is a King / Prophet / Messiah for everyone arround. Like with King David, there is some kind of democracy: The Almighty, Prophets and the people have to agree on the same thing. And we need to decide who is a falce prophet, or who is not wirth to be a prophet.
Besides that, there are 2 types of prophets. And even the choice that we should have Kings for example was choosen by the Nation.
1 small group within Judaism can't just change the National law by themselves, so the Christians couldn't. Not even could get the recognician of having a prophet.
We as a nation have to recognize a prophet or King etc.
There where more Kings, and even with King David there is an example... The Almighty did allready choose him to become King... BUT at that time he wasn't inmediatly... He had to be annointed by the prophets, and even after that he was not King over the whole nation so not recognized. Only when he was choosen by the mayority and annointed for the 3rd time, he was King.
With Prophets, there it was maybe even more difficult. There where thousends of prophets, and would-like to be prophets during biblicall times. Some made it into the bible who where recognized by the nation, and some got their own ''book''/story in the Bible. But most of the ''prophets'' where never recognized, for some made mistakes etc. We had to find out who was a real prophet and who not.
Also with Messiah, more then 10 people where claiming to be the Messiah in Israel during the last 100 years before the 2nd Temple fell. So off course we don't recognize all of them, or 2 at the same time, etc.
Nowadays there is no High-Court / Sanhedrin who will decide for the whole nation if there is a King / Prophet / Messiah for everyone arround. Like with King David, there is some kind of democracy: The Almighty, Prophets and the people have to agree on the same thing. And we need to decide who is a falce prophet, or who is not wirth to be a prophet.
Besides that, there are 2 types of prophets. And even the choice that we should have Kings for example was choosen by the Nation.
1 small group within Judaism can't just change the National law by themselves, so the Christians couldn't. Not even could get the recognician of having a prophet.
11-05-2009, 05:55 PM
shlomo Wrote:
So there's been no Christian prophet (at least none accepted by a broad cross section of Christendom) for 1500 years or so. Granted that's nearly half as long, but what makes 2460 years a problem and 1500 not?
They are christian prophets in today time it just the problem is telling the true ones from the false