Tovia Singer's argument is Human sacrifice for atonement is forbidden by God.
We believers know that it is wrong to sacrifice humans.
The argument seems pointless as it wasn't a human who sent His Son, it was God Himself.
The Son came as a gentle lamb not raising a hand to defend Himself and human sin wanted to kill Him.
Tovia wrote: "To begin with, the Jewish people were strictly prohibited from offering human sacrifices under any circumstances. There is not one place throughout the entire corpus of the Jewish scriptures where human sacrifices are condoned. "
Again no Jew offered Jesus for atonement. It was God Himself that sent His Son as Atonement! The Son of God was obedient to His Father unto death fullfilling Prophesy.
Isa:53:7: He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Tovia wrote speaking off Christianty:
"They conclude from this verse that only by being covered in the blood of the cross can man have any hope of being forgiven by God for his sins."
The Messiah said as Prophesied in the Book of Daniel:Da:9:24
M't:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Jeremiah wrote of the New Covenant the previous one was broken.Jer:31:31
Jer:31:32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers...
It is very easy to understand and accept that God provided the Atonement not Israel.
(1) Lambs offered for sin had to be female (Leviticus 4:32). The only exceptions are the guilt offerings of a leper once he has already been cleansed and a Nazirite who becomes defiled by a corpse. It would have been more fitting for John the Baptist to call Jesus the bull of G-d or the goat of G-d.
(2) The servant of Isaiah 53 "shall see seed". Since Jesus had no children, you must understand the verse as referring to believers as his spiritual children. Do you then hold of the unitarian view, in which Jesus and the Father are the same Person?
(3) Isaiah 53:9 speaks of multiple deaths of the servant (see the marginal note in the KJV). Jesus only died once. Lest you respond that he died spiritually as well, and that was the second death spoken of in the verse, behold, he told the thief on the cross, "Truly I say to you, this day you shall be with me in Paradise."
(4) As for the new covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31, the prophecy has clearly not been fulfilled yet, because we still teach one another to know G-d (verse 34). Also, the nature of the new covenant is that we will instinctively follow G-d's laws, as they will be written in our hearts, whereas Paul spoke of "another law at work in my members" (Romans 7:22).
(5) As for Daniel 9, the word "moshiach" is used many times in the Bible and refers to kings, priests, and anyone else who is anointed, even King Cyrus of Persia. In fact, the only two times in the Bible that the word is rendered "Messiah" are right here in Daniel 9, the point of controversy. Confusion arises because in common speech, we use the word "moshiach" to refer to the Messiah - but that is only because, in the wake of the Roman destruction, the next anointed one will indeed be the Messiah.
Gen 22:4-14 NIV On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. (5) He said to his servants, Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you. (6) Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, (7) Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, Father? Yes, my son? Abraham replied. The fire and wood are here, Isaac said, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering? (8) Abraham answered, God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son. And the two of them went on together. (9) When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. (10) Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. (11) But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, Abraham! Abraham! Here I am, he replied. (12) Do not lay a hand on the boy, he said. Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. (13) Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram [Many manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint and Syriac most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text a ram behind him] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. (14) So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.
Gen 22:4-14 NIV On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. (5) He said to his servants, Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you. (6) Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, (7) Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, Father? Yes, my son? Abraham replied. The fire and wood are here, Isaac said, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering? (8) Abraham answered, God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son. And the two of them went on together. (9) When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. (10) Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son. (11) But the angel of the LORD called out to him from heaven, Abraham! Abraham! Here I am, he replied. (12) Do not lay a hand on the boy, he said. Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son. (13) Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram [Many manuscripts of the Masoretic Text, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint and Syriac most manuscripts of the Masoretic Text a ram behind him] caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. (14) So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide. And to this day it is said, On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.
Funny how there isn't one mention of sin in the entire passage.
Right on Prowler!
Point 2 for J4J
2) The servant of Isaiah 53 "shall see seed". Since Jesus had no children, you must understand the verse as referring to believers as his spiritual children. Do you then hold of the unitarian view, in which Jesus and the Father are the same Person?
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Unless a seed fall to the ground and die it will not bear fruit.
The seed of the First is always the children.
Part of the reward given to Messiah is found in Isaiah 53:10. Jesus gave birth to a spiritual family.
Jesus called his followers little children.
Joh:13:33: Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
WE BELONG TO JESUS!
Joh:17:24: Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
"Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.'
There are 3 Persons in the Trinity. The Father(the Planner), His Son(the Word) and the Holy Spirit(the Wisdom).(ECHAD)
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/trin02.html
Funny how there isn't one mention of sin in the entire passage.
Firstly one needs to learn a lesson form Genesis Chapter 3 before attempting to interpret Genesis Chapter 22. G-d's revelation to man was progressive and if you are not faithful with Genesis 3 you will never understand G-d's agenda and the Salvation message! Also please note that
Abraham was in obedience by believing and obeying G-d!
Joh 6:28-39 NIV Then they asked him, What must we do to do the works God requires? (29) Jesus answered, The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent. (30) So they asked him, What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? (31) Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert as it is written: `He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’ [Exodus 16:4 Neh. 9:15 Psalm 78:24,25] (32) Jesus said to them, I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. (33) For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world. (34) Sir, they said, from now on give us this bread. (35) Then Jesus declared, I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. (36) But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. (37) All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. (38) For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. (39) And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.
Funny how Yeshua didn't mention sin in the above passage either.
The death of Christ is not an atonement for sin - it is a new covenant.
It is the acceptation by G-d of a new covenant.
And the new covenant is that G-d endorses the saviour of sinners. The condition being that these sinners follow the example of Christ.
This is the
Parable of the Wedding Feast -
Matthew 22
The Father saves through the Son.
And man remains the sole ruler of his conjectural salvation (G-od being the ultimate Judge).
Atonement for sin has been addressed precisely in the Bible:
Lev 16:21
Psa 79:9
Daniel 9:9 /
Daniel 9:19
EzeKiel 3:21 /
Eze 18:21 /
Ezekiel 18:22 /
Ezekiel 18:24 /
Ezekiel 18:27 /
Ezekiel 33:10 /
Ezekiel 33:16
Once more, Christ has warned the righteous man not to sin and the sinner that he can be saved.
What has changed then?
Well!, as once was stated, there is a phylogenesis in religion - the appearance of entirely new properties at certain critical stages in the course of its evolution.
So a goat was enough for an atonement at the time of Leviticus. Then came the atonement through righteousness (Ezekiel). But rigtheousness was still not enough or just "digressing". The conduct of the "light of the nations" and the nations was still despicable.
Therefore, things got a bit tougher.
And now, atonement and salvation is through Christ and His
very simple message; of which an important part is stated here:
Matthew 19 and
Matthew 16.
There is the additional problem that atonement cannot not be offered for a sin not yet committed! This defies the basic notion of atonement. "Atonement" offered before the sin is committed is not atonement at all, it is license or indulgence to sin!
Therefore, even if you accept the whole premise, sins committed up until that time would have been forgiven, but not subsequently sins!
The death of Christ is not an atonement for sin - it is a new covenant.
It is the acceptation by G-d of a new covenant.
And the new covenant is that G-d endorses the saviour of sinners. The condition being that these sinners follow the example of Christ.
This is the
Parable of the Wedding Feast -
Matthew 22
The Father saves through the Son.
And man remains the sole ruler of his conjectural salvation (G-od being the ultimate Judge).
"He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."
1 Peter 2:24