JFJ Forums - Christians need to know Elijah

kofh2u Wrote:

The problems with the ancient (perhaps archaic) interpretations are compounded by traditional Old Testament understanding that require Elijah to preceed the messiah... the Suffering Messiah...

... and the Eucharist.

Jews know that Elijah's Cup was on the Seder table.

If Jesus ignored it, that would be impossible.
If Jesus used it, that would be Eliajah, returned.

I believe in the Torah, and the prophets, and the laws ; unchanged . Yeshua came not to change , but to fulfill the Torah, and the Prophets. To deny our foundation,and the roots , and trunk of the Olive tree, is to deny the branches of the living water that is fed from the roots. Elijah will come before the Maschiach returns; Yehoshua; Jesus; Immanuel; G-d with us! From Old and Everlasting!

sugarman Wrote:

kofh2u Wrote:

ThomasDGW Wrote:

Luke 1:17 "And he (John the Baptist) shall go before Him, in the spirit and power of Elias ..."

John the Baptist was not Elias, but he went in the spirit of Elias; as I understand it, he participated in the spiritual coming and role of Elias for the first coming of the Messiah, which was primarily spiritual in focus also. Elijah was there with John the Baptist in spirit, and he appears in Matthew 17:3, so that is why Jesus said that Elijah had already come, a requirement for the Messiah's coming. What they did to John the Baptist, they did in representative form to Elijah. For the full coming of the Messiah, which will fulfill all of the physical aspects of Messiah's work, Elijah will come physically.

The problems with the ancient (perhaps archaic) interpretations are compounded by traditional Old Testament understanding that require Elijah to preceed the messiah... the Suffering Messiah...

... and the Eucharist.

Jews know that Elijah's Cup was on the Seder table.

If Jesus ignored it, that would be impossible.
If Jesus used it, that would be Eliajah, returned.

if your saying jesus is Elijah I do not see that anywhere in scripture.

in fact Elijah might still be coming back physical. The Book of revelation talks about two prophets of the OT coming back to bring God judgement.

If you read about Elijah's miracles... and those repeated by Jesus you... at least must wonder.

The very last sentence in the Old Testament promised the return of Elijah.
How ELSE would we recognize him, except by his deeds?

"How ELSE would we recognize him, except by his deeds?"

We recognize Jesus by his words.

ThomasDGW Wrote:

"How ELSE would we recognize him, except by his deeds?"

We recognize Jesus by his words.

I thought we recognized him by the willing deed of the Cross...

"I thought we recognized him by the willing deed of the Cross... "

That, too, but you asked, "How ELSE ...?"

ThomasDGW Wrote:

"How ELSE would we recognize him, except by his deeds?"

We recognize Jesus by his words.

I believe Thomas had made an important point! If we read the book of Daniel, as well as Revelation, we find a similarity of the beast, or little horn, wilful king, antichrist,parellel but opposite to the prophet who precedes the Meshiach, and the false messiah. We see him perform miracles , and wonders, even restore a false peace to the world, and to Israel for a season, to deceieve, even the elect if he can. We must know by the words of the scriptures, and the Spirit of G-d that indwells within us to discern the true nature of Elijah, as he is a forerunner[ 2 witnesses; Enoch and Elijah] as they were the only two men who have not died}the witnesses,to precede the Mashiach!,

Robert wrote:
The two witnesses I believe are Elijah and Enoch for these reasons; Both men never died, both were taken to heaven,
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The disciples saw Elijah with Moses. They were not in the flesh but spirits, flesh had died.

John:3:13: And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

No one could go to God's Heaven until Jesus died and had risen.

If no man had ascended up to heaven until Christ ascended, how could Enoch and Elijah have been there?
The Bible does not say that Elijah ascended to heaven. It says that he was taken up. The word 'ascend' means to go up.

The 2 Witnessess could be the 2 angels that were with the Lord when they visited Abraham and went on to rescue Lot. They appeared in bodies and Abraham fed them.
Gabriel said Da:10:21: But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
These 2 have seen everything concerning Israel.
1Ki:6:23: And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.
The Ark of Testimony had to Angels on it. I believe they were in the Holy of Holies with God. Gabriel is the Angel who stands befor the Almighty. The Prophet Angel.
The Angels to the seven churches poor out there knowledge to these 2.

Gabriel and Michael are qualifed having witnessed everything, Michael in the last day stands up for Israel.
Elijah had not witnessed everything, not old enough.