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     Why is it that Orthodox Jews are so prejudice towards Messianic Jews but to Atheist Jews they are so lenient? Such Hypocrisy and insecurity. They are even considerate towards Lubivicter adherents which is much worse that the Atheist.

Why Is it? That there is a famous (to some) atheist woman that is doing a good job at removing God from our schools and now she wants to remove it from the air ways. So if you like to hear sermons on TV she is trying to stop it. Also why is it that the airwaves are full of curse words and Gay TV shows? Why is it that car companies are now trying to sell to the Gay comunity? Why is it that our counrty is leaving behind its Christian Morels? Why is it that the courts are lossing my respect? Why is it that its 70 degrees in January? End of times would you think? So back to your question! Why is it that some Jewish people except atheist Jews and not messianic Jews.......... Its just the norm now in our world to go against God and his ideals and deny his Son which is the only way to understanding what is good and evil. So if you eat of the tree of life you will see the real world as it truly is becoming.

jewpoet Wrote:

Why is it that Orthodox Jews are so prejudice towards Messianic Jews but to Atheist Jews they are so lenient? Such Hypocrisy and insecurity. They are even considerate towards Lubivicter adherents which is much worse that the Atheist.

It isn't just Orthodox Jews, it is Jews in general, even the secular.
Why? A couple of reasons. One is undoubtedly the historic
atrocities Chrisitanity has perpetuated upon Jews. This of course
is in the past, but memories and feelings run deep and even the
most secular of Jews has an innate bad reaction when a Jew
becomes a Christian. I don't think it is something that a non-Jew
is able to understand, so I won't try to go further other than to
say that it exists.
The next point I shall try to put delicately, so I apologize in
advance if it comes across harshly. Jews who are secular are
not observant but they have not transgressed into avodah zarah,
whereas a Jew who becomes a Christian has. He has commited
one of the worse sins (indeed, one of three you can not
do even to save your life) a Jew can commit. A Jew who has
become a member or another faith has cut himself off from his
people and from HaShem, where as a secular Jew has not yet
lost that connection.
As for the Lubavitchers, a small minority of them believe the
blasphamy that the Rebbe was moshiach and they are working
at eradicating this belief. Many, many groups have condemmed
them for this belief (the OU and Agudath Israel are two major ones) , and it has caused them much damage and
isolation in Jewish communities. They are not the first, nor
unfortunately probably not the last, Jews to follow a false
moshiach. Hopefully they will resolve this issue soon.
This is an honest attempt to answer your questions, and I
hope it does not cause offense.
Smile

Chava

Thank you for your replies, i just posted this hoping to get some reaction and clarifications and some insights as well in some Yehudim who happens to drop by and read this posting. Lets continue to proclaim the Good News. Shalom!

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

jewpoet Wrote:

Why is it that Orthodox Jews are so prejudice towards Messianic Jews but to Atheist Jews they are so lenient? Such Hypocrisy and insecurity. They are even considerate towards Lubivicter adherents which is much worse that the Atheist.

It isn't just Orthodox Jews, it is Jews in general, even the secular.
Why? A couple of reasons. One is undoubtedly the historic
atrocities Chrisitanity has perpetuated upon Jews. This of course
is in the past, but memories and feelings run deep and even the
most secular of Jews has an innate bad reaction when a Jew
becomes a Christian. I don't think it is something that a non-Jew
is able to understand, so I won't try to go further other than to
say that it exists.
The next point I shall try to put delicately, so I apologize in
advance if it comes across harshly. Jews who are secular are
not observant but they have not transgressed into avodah zarah,
whereas a Jew who becomes a Christian has. He has commited
one of the worse sins (indeed, one of three you can not
do even to save your life) a Jew can commit. A Jew who has
become a member or another faith has cut himself off from his
people and from HaShem, where as a secular Jew has not yet
lost that connection.
As for the Lubavitchers, a small minority of them believe the
blasphamy that the Rebbe was moshiach and they are working
at eradicating this belief. Many, many groups have condemmed
them for this belief (the OU and Agudath Israel are two major ones) , and it has caused them much damage and
isolation in Jewish communities. They are not the first, nor
unfortunately probably not the last, Jews to follow a false
moshiach. Hopefully they will resolve this issue soon.
This is an honest attempt to answer your questions, and I
hope it does not cause offense.
Smile

Chava

Chava,
You have a lot of chutzpah. You're one of those Jews who comes on here just to disagree with Messianic Judaism half the time, anyway. If you want to be honest, Sheitl "Queen" (and you need to get off your pedestal), non-Messianic Jews are being stubborn, hard-hearted persecuters, just as Y'shua HaMashiach who is Jesus Christ said you would be. You tolerate everyone else but Jews and Gentiles who are Messianic.

I have seen enough persecution of JFJ and Messianics to say, "If you're not Messianic, don't act like you can relate a darn to Messianics. Until you seek to understand the Bible over your own traditions, just leave Messianics to counsel and relate to fellow Messianics."

jewpoet Wrote:

Thank you for your replies, i just posted this hoping to get some reaction and clarifications and some insights as well in some Yehudim who happens to drop by and read this posting. Lets continue to proclaim the Good News. Shalom!

I hope it did add some clarification....it was actually a good
question and I can understand how someone from outside
the Jewish community would feel that way... Smile

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

jewpoet Wrote:

Thank you for your replies, i just posted this hoping to get some reaction and clarifications and some insights as well in some Yehudim who happens to drop by and read this posting. Lets continue to proclaim the Good News. Shalom!

I hope it did add some clarification....it was actually a good
question and I can understand how someone from outside
the Jewish community would feel that way... Smile

Sheitl,
You just proved my argument of your intolerance towards Messianic Jews.

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

jewpoet Wrote:

Thank you for your replies, i just posted this hoping to get some reaction and clarifications and some insights as well in some Yehudim who happens to drop by and read this posting. Lets continue to proclaim the Good News. Shalom!

I hope it did add some clarification....it was actually a good
question and I can understand how someone from outside
the Jewish community would feel that way... Smile

Sheitl,
You just proved my argument of your intolerance towards Messianic Jews.

How so? Can you please show me where I mentioned Messianics
here?
Perhaps before you jump to (mis)conclusions, you should ask
questions to clarify your understanding of a post.
My point was that people outside a certain community often
misundertand, misinterpret, or just are unknowledgable about
the beliefs and opinions of others. Someone who sees secular
Jews, but not Jews who have adopted another faith, accepted
in the Jewish community could understandably misunderstand
why. This is true with any group...I could look at Catholics
and come to wrong conclusions about their beliefs or actions
simply because I am not part of their community or
knowlegable about their beliefs. It is not an insult nor a matter
of intolerance, but simply a statement of fact.

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

Sheitl Queen Wrote:

jewpoet Wrote:

Why is it that Orthodox Jews are so prejudice towards Messianic Jews but to Atheist Jews they are so lenient? Such Hypocrisy and insecurity. They are even considerate towards Lubivicter adherents which is much worse that the Atheist.

It isn't just Orthodox Jews, it is Jews in general, even the secular.
Why? A couple of reasons. One is undoubtedly the historic
atrocities Chrisitanity has perpetuated upon Jews. This of course
is in the past, but memories and feelings run deep and even the
most secular of Jews has an innate bad reaction when a Jew
becomes a Christian. I don't think it is something that a non-Jew
is able to understand, so I won't try to go further other than to
say that it exists.
The next point I shall try to put delicately, so I apologize in
advance if it comes across harshly. Jews who are secular are
not observant but they have not transgressed into avodah zarah,
whereas a Jew who becomes a Christian has. He has commited
one of the worse sins (indeed, one of three you can not
do even to save your life) a Jew can commit. A Jew who has
become a member or another faith has cut himself off from his
people and from HaShem, where as a secular Jew has not yet
lost that connection.
As for the Lubavitchers, a small minority of them believe the
blasphamy that the Rebbe was moshiach and they are working
at eradicating this belief. Many, many groups have condemmed
them for this belief (the OU and Agudath Israel are two major ones) , and it has caused them much damage and
isolation in Jewish communities. They are not the first, nor
unfortunately probably not the last, Jews to follow a false
moshiach. Hopefully they will resolve this issue soon.
This is an honest attempt to answer your questions, and I
hope it does not cause offense.
Smile

Chava

Chava,
You have a lot of chutzpah. You're one of those Jews who comes on here just to disagree with Messianic Judaism half the time, anyway. If you want to be honest, Sheitl "Queen" (and you need to get off your pedestal), non-Messianic Jews are being stubborn, hard-hearted persecuters, just as Y'shua HaMashiach who is Jesus Christ said you would be. You tolerate everyone else but Jews and Gentiles who are Messianic.

I have seen enough persecution of JFJ and Messianics to say, "If you're not Messianic, don't act like you can relate a darn to Messianics. Until you seek to understand the Bible over your own traditions, just leave Messianics to counsel and relate to fellow Messianics."

To address a couple of points you bring up. First, Sheitl Queen comes
from a nickname and an inside joke, which you are not privy to. It is
not a statement of feelings of superiority, it is simply a screen name.
Is it really necessary to try to insult me by attacking my screen name? Smile

For someone who is complaining about me being intolerant, I think
you should go back and reread your first paragraph and then
perhaps reconsider.
I was assuming the opening question was asked in earnest and not
just a kvetch or a rhetorical question. Obviously it required an
answer from a Jew and someone involved in the Jewish community.
Who else do you expect to answer it? Would it make sense for me
to go to the Mormons to see what Catholics think of Baptists?
You ask the question directly of the group involved.
I have heard the statements made over and over in the Jewish
community that I conveyed in my post. I am sorry you do not
like to hear it, but it is reality. It answered Jewpoets question.
Perhaps Jewpoet can come and clarify things if I misunderstood
his question.
I read a very good quote from the Talmud last night...
"Even when they are humiliated, they do no humiliate others;
they hear others defaming them and they do not respond".
I think it is very wise advice and I will not stoop to using
personal insults.

jewpoet Wrote:

Thank you for your replies, i just posted this hoping to get some reaction and clarifications and some insights as well in some Yehudim who happens to drop by and read this posting. Lets continue to proclaim the Good News. Shalom!

So Jewpoet, was I wrong in answering your question? Did I misunderstand it? Was the response inappropriate?
Just clarifying....
Smile