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Please read the following excerpt and give me your opinion on this question: Was Moses called by God to establish Heaven on earth in Canaan or just a sovereign nation? In other words, could Moses have been the Jewish Christ if he had completed his mission?

As an intercessor Moses was willing to be patient, ask for signs, and prostrate himself before God any number of times in order to keep his congregation from turning back to Egypt or from being destroyed by God’s wrath; thus, through all adversity, Moses kept alive the vision of his people entering a land flowing with milk and honey.
The faithlessness of Moses’ congregation in the aftermath of the spying mission caused God to threaten pestilence and disownment, which would have left the congregation to die in the wilderness outside of God’s grace. Moses’ intercession after this particular event saved his congregation from disownment, but it did not remove the penalty of dying in the wilderness. (Numbers 14:11−38) In addition to this divided outcome, Moses’ intercession gained the opportunity (assisted by Aaron) to lead the next generation along with Joshua and Caleb into Canaan.
The opportunity for Moses to enter Canaan leading the next generation was lost a short while later when the congregation entered the wilderness of Zin and stayed at Kadesh. Because there was no water in Kadesh, the congregation complained against Moses. “So Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and they fell on their faces. And the glory of the Lord appeared to them. Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, ‘Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals.’”
Moses followed the first part of God’s instructions, but instead of speaking to the rock before the eyes of the congregation in order to bring forth water, he spoke in contempt to his congregation and struck the rock twice with the rod in order to bring forth the water. (Numbers 20:9−11)
“Then the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, ‘Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them.’ This was the water of Meribah, because the children of Israel contended with the Lord, and He was hallowed among them.” (Numbers 20: 12−13)
It is clear from these two passages that Moses’ words and actions had not hallowed God in the eyes of Israel, but because water had poured forth from the rock, God was hallowed in the eyes of the people in spite of Moses’ failure to do as God had commanded. When a person stands back and looks at the broader picture, it becomes evident that Moses had allowed his contempt and anger toward his congregation to direct his actions contrary to God’s instructions; instead of bringing forth water in a spirit and manner which hallowed God in the eyes of the people, Moses brought forth water in a spirit and manner which showed contempt for his congregation. Thus, the reason God took the opportunity for Moses to lead the next generation into Canaan away from him was because Moses had allowed his anger toward the people to have dominion over (rule over) his humility toward God; Moses’ spirit had become fallen from its previous level.
When Moses allowed his anger to take dominion, Aaron’s opportunity to enter Canaan with the next generation was also lost. “Now the children of Israel, the whole congregation, journeyed from Kadesh and came to Mount Hor. And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron in Mount Hor by the border of the land of Edom, saying: ‘Aaron shall be gathered to his people, for he shall not enter the land which I have given to the children of Israel, because you rebelled against My word at the water of Meribah.’ ” (Numbers 20:22−24)
Shortly after this, Moses was reminded by God that at the end of the forty year wilderness course, he would not be leading the next generation into Canaan; this prompted Moses to have concern for Israel’s future lack of leadership. God remedied this concern by having Moses give part of his authority over the congregation to Joshua, so that all the children of Israel might in time become obedient to him.
“Now the Lord said to Moses: ‘Go up into this Mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given to the children of Israel. And when you have seen it, you also shall be gathered to your people, as Aaron your brother was gathered. For in the Wilderness of Zin, during the strife of the congregation, you rebelled against My command to hallow Me at the waters before their eyes.’ (These are the waters of Meribah, at Kadesh in the Wilderness of Zin.)”
“Then Moses spoke to the Lord, saying: “Let the Lord, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation, who may lead them out and bring them in, that the congregation of the Lord may not be like sheep which have no shepherd.’ And the Lord said to Moses: Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him; set him before Eleazar the priest and before all the congregation, and inaugurate him in their sight. And you shall give some of your authority to him, that all the congregation of the children of Israel may be obedient.’ ” (Numbers 27:12−21)
Over the ensuing forty years of wandering Joshua became the accepted leader of the next generation. Then toward the end of the forty year period, God declared a coming providence centered upon a Prophet in the place of Moses.
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren, Him you shall hear, according to all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die. And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put my words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.’” (Deuteronomy 18:15−19)
This coming Providence stood as an indication that Joshua leading the next generation into Canaan in the place of Moses would not fulfill all that God had intended for Moses to fulfill; Joshua and Caleb did not have the ability to gain the things which would fulfill the Law and make for peace. They could only receive the Law and lead the next generation into Canaan under that Law. Thus, when Israel entered Canaan under the guidance of Law, it awaited the time when a Prophet in the place of Moses would rise up from among them and complete the spiritual aspect of Moses’ course, by realigning Israel into heaven on earth.
This divided outcome leads one to realize that if Moses had maintained his reverence for God dominant over his anger toward the congregation, he not only would have been able to lead the next generation into Canaan, but also would have continued to have the opportunity to receive and understand the things which fulfill the Law and make for peace. Then Moses could have led the next generation into Canaan spiritually at the same time he led them into Canaan physically. This would have made the land flowing with milk and honey into a kingdom of heaven on earth.
Seen from this point of view, the fact that Moses was allowed only to look upon the land promised to his descendants (but not enter) is like the image created in the aftermath of Adam and Eve’s fall.
“Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings. And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Then the Lord called to Adam and said to him, ‘Where are you?’ So he said, I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.’ ”
Obviously a person can not hide himself from God, thus one must look for a metaphorical meaning behind Adam trying to hide from God and God not being able to see Adam.  It must be that Adam felt he was hiding from God because he could not clearly sense (spiritually see) God through the canopy of the shame and guilt created by his fall. Conversely, God could no longer see Adam as a spiritual being because his spirit had become dominated by (hidden behind a canopy of) shame and guilt. Hence, after his fall Adam could only see heaven (God) from afar.
Because Moses did not rise above the level of being an intercessor, and at Kadesh he lost the insight (due to reversing spiritual dominion within himself) and hence the opportunity to rise above the level of being an intercessor, he died as a son of Adam: able only to see the Promised Land from afar (the Promised Land being a kingdom of heaven on earth, not just a land flowing with milk and honey).

Moses was the deliverer from slaveary. He was a symbolic of what was to come. Jesus was the redemer of slaveary to sin. Many things would have had to happen in time to show us when the Messahia realy did come. So then there would be no doubt to those that read all about him. We would have only had the first 5 books if it would have happened the way you are saying. We wouldn't have had the wisdom of Solomoms proverbs or Davids Pslams. Each book was valuable and it was Gods will that we  have what we have today. Notice Issaiha has 66 books. The same as the 66 books we have today. Notice that the first 39 chapters of Issahia are about Gods Souvernity and the next 27 chapters are about his grace. Makes you think doesn't it? Excuse my spelling!!

Please read the following excerpt and give me your opinion on this question: Was Moses called by God to establish Heaven on earth in Canaan or just a sovereign nation? In other words, could Moses have been the Jewish Christ if he had completed his mission?


we have heard many times that jesus fulfills torah. he does fill this torah which you are posting. the catholic church teaches that the torah is eternal law but, contray to rjudaism faith, its incomplete.

this is good example you posted i think.

moses doesnt enter into the promise land because; its a sign to us that moses wasnt complete.  moses in other words represents judaism, the second temple, the incomplete entity, while joshua the prophet, represents the one who is to come after moses which is jesus. even i think that joshua and jesus are forms of the same name? its the story that bears the message.

what does it mean he was not complete?


here you have to understand what it is that moses did. he represented the lord falsely. moses was gods advocate and the people surely thought that god was showing contempt when moses showed contempt. many christians do the same when they say, 'love god or go to hell', this is not god talking. he want us to see him as the benevolent he is and not 'love me or ill kill you god' that islam believe in. this also what kibbles and bits was saying when she told someone here that her jesus is not the same as their jesus. moses did not show god in the true light.

rjudaism doesnt show god in the true light. torah is eternal law and is the base of gods holy mountian, judaism is a STAGE in the plan of god and no one can enter into heaven without following the whole plan because jesus is needed to complete the mountian and complete the torah.

torah is not completed by filling every interpreted prophecy. torah is fulfilled by providing the elements of law which torah does not teach.

YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS AND DONT LET JEWISH PREJUDICE BLIND YOU. that rabbi video that someone put up show exactly want rjudaism produces. did you see in the end of that video that the rabbi showed contempt for the catholic man by throwing his book in the trash and said, "i take the book only because that one book he will not cause sin with".   rjudaism has much contempt for people that dont go their way. they say, 'we dont missionize' like it a sin and 'we dont speak the name of g-d, it a sin' but how does this attitude fit into gods plans. god doesnt want to anyone to know about him? what about the many people that feed poor on the street and work for homeless and the like. where do you see rjudaism working like the jesus people? there are rjudaism organiztions but most all them for jews and not anyone else. this is another example of misrepresentation of god. that rabbi should go down on the ghetto corner and give the dollar to someone who need rather that just make a name for himself. he will need armor car and a million dollars. he should throw all his money in the trash for the same reason he tossed the book. every dollar he passes out to someone who doesnt need is contempt for the poor?


now the thing im trying to say but probably im just offending jews so that messy can call me anti-jewish, is that rjudaism needs completeness thru jesus. his gospel teaches primary love for god and neighbors and they go hand in hand. he says that if one doenst love his neighbor that he doesn not love god. you will never see a catholic priest come up to anyone and say, ' why do you eat with this dirty people' or 'you heal the sick by the power of the devil'. if those high priest who said this in jesus time had had the gospel in their heart like they had their culture and tradition, they would not have killed jesus.

i said before, that land is faith, and moses, the establisher of this mountain after abrahams and the cornerstone of the second temple (spiritual one that is)   did not enter into the promised faith as a sign to you that second temple manna alone, is not enuf. but by every word that comes from the mouth of god. that word was with god and is god and became flesh and established a new mountain and is the cornerstone of the third temple.

"Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals.’”

water before i told you is the spoken word and jesus is the source of the water. the rock is both christ and the church. this is a prophetic verse that is filling. the water from the rock is the water of life, the word of the gospel that completes torah.

rjudaism needs to dismantle some of its "unfriendly' perscriptions and drink the water of gospel that they may come to completion. for if they cannot be loved by their neighbor, because they serve the letter of the law and not the law, god is not fully represented.

why i believe in jesus? one reason is because i cant believe in rjudaism. the water of rjudaism is supposed to come from the rock.