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The Jewish Nation is not the Suffering Servant.

Yeshua is the Suffering Servant
David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

The Jewish Nation is not the Suffering Servant.

Yeshua is the Suffering Servant


David,
I understand what you're trying to do, but unfortunately, many "rabbis" (see Mattityahu 23:8-10) and others are fulfilling Yeshua's words through Yeshayahu and Paul. So, refer them to Mattityahu 7:7 if they really are looking to seek and find instead of preach another gospel or hear but not understand.

I've unfortunately been in arguments with many anti-Trinitarians and legalists on the JFJ forums, as well as non-Messianics. If they won't listen, after a while, you just have to throw in the towel, hang up the hat, and hope they'd wear the hat and use the towel while they're standing a minute in your shoes to see where you're coming from.
Are the Jews God's Suffering Servant? How about Jesus? Why not both?

The Suffering Servant
David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

Are the Jews God's Suffering Servant? How about Jesus? Why not both?

The Suffering Servant
I would have to say that God does have a certain elect that does suffer along with God.These are the chosen ones from God.Everyone is protected,but there is a certain amount of people that jump with the lost.In other words you jump we jump.If you do not have memory then we do not have memory.When God blesses them,then they have memory back.This is why certain Gentiles are very loveing.
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

The Jewish Nation is not the Suffering Servant.

Yeshua is the Suffering Servant


I've unfortunately been in arguments with many anti-Trinitarians and legalists on the JFJ forums, as well as non-Messianics. If they won't listen, after a while, you just have to throw in the towel, hang up the hat, and hope they'd wear the hat and use the towel while they're standing a minute in your shoes to see where you're coming from.


As a Bible believer I would encourage you to listen to those who know the trinity is a pagan concept the Bible rejects. God is a Kingdom-Family, presently composed of God the Father and God the Son (the firstborn of many brethren).

Born Again: The Kingdom of God!
David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

Are the Jews God's Suffering Servant? How about Jesus? Why not both?

The Suffering Servant


David,
My point was was that you have to be careful who you refer the Gospels and the Tenkah to. "Lord, who has believed our message?"
GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

Are the Jews God's Suffering Servant? How about Jesus? Why not both?

The Suffering Servant


David,
My point was was that you have to be careful who you refer the Gospels and the Tenkah to. "Lord, who has believed our message?"


Did you assume I didn't already know that?
This guy David-Ben Ariel is a cult member.

He denies Trinity. He believes the lost 10 tribes are Caucasian whites of today.

This man is on a mission to confuse Jews and Christians and promote the satanic doctrines of Herbert Armstrong.

He should be banned from the forum
May God bless all mankind to soon recognize and perceive that the Pierced One is Yeshua, the King of the Jews, the King of Israel - the Suffering Servant who paid the penalty for all repentant mankind.

Come Lord Yeshua!
David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

GoyOfY'shua Wrote:

David Ben-Ariel Wrote:

The Jewish Nation is not the Suffering Servant.

Yeshua is the Suffering Servant


I've unfortunately been in arguments with many anti-Trinitarians and legalists on the JFJ forums, as well as non-Messianics. If they won't listen, after a while, you just have to throw in the towel, hang up the hat, and hope they'd wear the hat and use the towel while they're standing a minute in your shoes to see where you're coming from.


As a Bible believer I would encourage you to listen to those who know the trinity is a pagan concept the Bible rejects. God is a Kingdom-Family, presently composed of God the Father and God the Son (the firstborn of many brethren).

Born Again: The Kingdom of God!


David,
The anti-Trinitarian concept is actually pagan? Do you not know [i]Elohim[i]?
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