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   A little background:  

Aristobolus: (3 years) AM 4021 - AM 4024  (BC 31 - BC 28)
(Preceptor of
King Ptolemy)

[In the year 188 in the Kingdom of the Greeks]  ll Mac. 1:10

  Alexander   AM 3834 + 187 = 4021 (BC31)

Ptolemy XV  (2 years) AM 4022 - AM 4024 (BC 30 - BC 28)
(Caesarion)
Cleopatra's child; believed to be murdered by Octavian, and possibly Cleopatra too.

(They had a good special on the History Channel)

Augustus Caesar (40 years) AM 4024 - AM 4064 (BC 28 - AD 12)
(Octavian)

It should also be noted there is no "year 0," thereby losing a year.

[BC 1 - AD 1]

RULERS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE:
                          
Octavian BC 27 - AD 14
Tiberius   AD 14 - AD 37
Caligula   AD 37 - AD 41
Claudius AD 41 - AD 54
Nero      AD 54 - AD 68

Should be:
            BC 28 - AD 12
            AD 12 - AD 36
            AD 36 - AD 40
            AD 40 - AD 54
            AD 54 - AD 68

41 yrs; 40 yrs
23 yrs; 24 yrs
  4 yrs; 4 yrs
13 yrs: 14 yrs
14 yrs; 14 yrs
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95 yrs; 96 yrs  (If you omit the year o, you lose a year.)


   SALEM!
     Ray

THE ROMAN EMPIRE  

Caesar Augustus (40 yrs) AM 4024 - AM 4064 (BC 28 - AD 12)
(Octavian)

[Jesus born AM 4048 (BC 4)] on 10 Nisan ~ "Choosing of the Lamb"

Caesar Tiberius (24 yrs) AM 4064 - AM 4088 (AD 12 - AD 36)

In the 15th year of Tiberius, when John was called out:
AM 4064 + 14 years = AM 4078 (AD 26) ~ Jesus, age 30.
(Lk. 3: 1-23) was baptized. After a period of 40 days of fasting in the wilderness, he began preaching the Gospel. He preached for 1,440 days.
This brings us to AM 4082 (AD 30) when he was crucified. He was the Paschal Lamb who takes away the sins of the world.

Caligula  (4 yrs) AM 4088 - AM 4092 (AD 36 - AD 40)

Claudius (14 yrs) AM 4092 - AM 4106 (AD 40 - AD 54)

Nero (14 yrs) AM 4106 - AM 4120 (AD 54 - AD 68)

Galba (1 yr) AM 4120 - AM 4121 (AD 68 - AD 69)

Otho          AM 4121 - AM 4121 (AD 69 - AD 69)

Vittelius      AM 4121 - AM 4121 (AD 69 - AD 69)

*Vespasian AM 4121 - AM 4131 (AD 69 - AD 79)

Note: *Titus, a general under Vespasian destroyed Temple ll in AM 4122
          (AD 70)

Titus (2 yrs) AM 4131 - AM 4133 (AD 79 - AD 81)

JESUS BORN SATURDAY, SHABBAT HaGADOL, "Choosing the Lamb"
10 NISAN, 5 APRIL BC 4.

He was Crucified at age 34, on 9 APRIL, WEDNESDAY 14 NISAN, AD 30.
(TA'ANIT BECHOROT, FAST OF THE 1ST BORN) 3790.
His Birthday was in AD 30, MARCH 30th, 10 NISAN, SHABBAT HaGADOL.


       SHALOM!
          RA

Hello Ray,




According to your dates if Yashua was born in the spring of 4 BC and died in the spring of 30 AD he was only 33 years old.   
 
I am interested in understanding the Scriptural basis for your position on the birth of Yashua in the Spring at Passover.  I do agree with you that He was not born in December.  Here are a few reasons why I believe the Scripture does not support the traditional birth date of Yashua in December.

• In the gospel accounts it states the shepherds were in the fields watching over their flocks.   This was not done in the winter months, only from spring until fall.
• The Scripture states that Yashua “became flesh” and “dwelt” with us.(John 1:14)  The Biblical feast of Tabernacles or Booths (Sukkoth) is a time when Israel “dwelt” in temporary abodes.  Many believe this feast symbolizes the future great 7th day or millennium when Yashua will physically “dwell” with mankind.  I believe that just as the feast of Tabernacles ends the prophetic feast cycle with Yashua dwelling with mankind, it also began the cycle with His birth.
• Luke 2 tells us that Elisabeth the wife of the priest Zacharias conceived after Zacharias finish His priestly service.  Zacharias was of the course of Abijiah.  Luke goes on to state that Elisabeth was 6 months pregnant when Mary conceived.   This would place the birth of Yashua 9 months later in the month of Tishri (Biblical 7th month).  

Continued:

In summary I believe that Yashua was born during the Feast of Tabernacles in 4 BC.   That He began his ministry 30 years later in the fall of 27 AD.  His ministry as described by the gospel of John lasted only 2.5 years or a few hrs. short of 918 days. (6x153)  He died on the 15th of Nisan in 30 AD, being 32.5 years old.  

After His death in 30 AD he spent 40 more days on this earth.  40 years later the times of Israel temporarily ended and the “times of the Gentiles” began.  This was marked by the destruction of Temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD.   Today is the 40th Jubilee cycle since that destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem.   I believe the “times of the Gentiles” is just about over.  40 days > 40 years > 40 Jubilees.

Warm Regards,
Wstruse

John 1:14  14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Revelation 21:2-3   2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

skenoo {skay-no'-o}
Meaning:  1) to fix one's tabernacle, have one's tabernacle, abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent), tabernacle 2) to dwell
Origin:  from 4636; TDNT - 7:385,1040; v
Usage:  AV - dwell 5; 5


5521 hK'su cukkah {sook-kaw'} Meaning:  1) thicket, covert, booth 1a) thicket 1b) booth (rude or temporary shelter)
Origin:  from 05520; TWOT - 1492d; n f
Usage:  AV - tabernacle 12, booth 11, pavilion 5, cottage 1, covert 1, tents 1; 31




Colossians 1:19  19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;


Colossians 2:9   9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness
of the Godhead bodily.

BABYLONIAN EMPIRE:

Nabopolasar (21 years) AM 3538 – AM 3559 (BC 514 – BC 493).
(Chaldean)  
In the 15th year of Josiah AM 3524 (BC 528) + 14 years = AM 3538 (BC 514), revolted against
Assyria. In AM 3552 (BC 500) took Nineveh (in an alliance with Cyaxares the Mede and the Scythians.) [C.f. NAHUM 3: 1-3]
This took place after the conquest of No-Amon (Thebes), Egypt under Ashurbanipal in BC 549,
or BC 550 in the 36TH year of Manasseh’s reign. AM 3467 - AM 3522  (BC 585 – BC 530).
[NA. 3: 8]

Nebuchadnezzar ll (45 years) ruled from AM 3559 – AM 3604  (BC 493 – BC 448).
(Son)
Succeeded to the throne after the battle of Carchemish when Egypt was defeated in
AM 3559 (BC493). This was the 4TH year of Jehoiakim, AM 3555 – AM 3566 (BC 497- BC 486)
+ 4 = AM 3559. [JER. 25: 1] Pharaoh Neco; JER. 46: 2

  In the 10TH year of Zedekiah AM 3567 - AM 3578 (BC 485 – BC 474) + 10 = AM 3577
(BC 475), which was the 18TH year of Nebuchadnezzar (JER. 32:1), the word of the LORD
came to Jeremiah that Zedekiah would be given into the hand of the king of Babylon.

In the 9TH year of Zedekiah, AM 3576 (BC 476) besieged Jerusalem and in the 11TH year
of Zedekiah it was taken; the 19TH year of Nebuchadnezzar,  AM 3578 (BC 474).

JEREMIAH 39: 1-3; ll CHRONICLES 36: 19

“And they burned the House of G-D…”
V. 21 …to fulfill 70 years AM 3578 – AM 3648  (BC 474 – BC 404).


EVIL – MERODACH (2 years) AM 3604 – AM 3606 (BC 448 – BC 446)

In the 37TH year of Jehoiachin’s exile (12TH month, 27TH day); AM 3568 + 36 years =
AM 3604. Evil-Merodach began to reign.

Jehoiachin AM 3567 – AM 3567 (3 months). The 8TH year of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign.
He did not go to Babylon until the spring of AM 3568, NISAN 10.
In AM 3604 (BC 448), he was released from prison and dined with the Royals.

  SHALOM!
  Ray

Wstruse wrote:  

According to your dates if Yashua was born in the spring of 4 BC and died in the spring of 30 AD he was only 33 years old.  
_________________________________________________________
JESUS BORN SATURDAY, SHABBAT HaGADOL, "Choosing the Lamb"
10 NISAN, 5 APRIL BC 4.

He was Crucified at age 34, on 9 APRIL, WEDNESDAY 14 NISAN, AD 30.
(TA'ANIT BECHOROT, FAST OF THE 1ST BORN) 3790.
His Birthday was in AD 30, MARCH 30th, 10 NISAN, SHABBAT HaGADOL.
JESUS BORN SATURDAY, SHABBAT HaGADOL, "Choosing the Lamb"
10 NISAN, 5 APRIL BC 4.


COUNTING THE YEARS; JESUS’ BIRTH TO CALVARY

Jewish            Counting from
Year               ADAM (AM)
3756 BC    5 AM 4047              
3757 BC    4 AM 4048    JESUS_  10 NISAN (APRIL 5) SHABBAT Ha GADOL; JESUS BORN.
3758 BC    3 AM 4049   1   year old 10 NISAN      
3759 BC    2 AM 4050   2 years old 10 NISAN  
3760 BC    1 AM 4051   3 years old 10 NISAN
3761 AD    0 AM 4052   4 years old 10 NISAN [This year is not counted on the Jewish Calendar.]
3762 AD   1 AM 4053   5 years old 10 NISAN
3763 AD   2 AM 4054   6 years old 10 NISAN
3764 AD   3 AM 4055   7 years old 10 NISAN
3765 AD   4 AM 4056   8 years old 10 NISAN
3766 AD   5 AM 4057   9 years old 10 NISAN
3767 AD   6 AM 4058 10 years old 10 NISAN
3768 AD   7 AM 4059 11 years old 10 NISAN
3769 AD   8 AM 4060 12 years old 10 NISAN At age 12, Jesus goes to Temple.
3770 AD   9 AM 4061 13 years old 10 NISAN
3771 AD 10 AM 4062 14 years old 10 NISAN
3772 AD 11 AM 4063 15 years old 10 NISAN
3773 AD 12 AM 4064 16 years old 10 NISAN
3774 AD 13 AM 4065 17 years old 10 NISAN
3775 AD 14 AM 4066 18 years old 10 NISAN
3776 AD 15 AM 4067 19 years old 10 NISAN
3777 AD 16 AM 4068 20 years old 10 NISAN
3778 AD 17 AM 4069 21 years old 10 NISAN
3779 AD 18 AM 4070 22 years old 10 NISAN
3780 AD 19 AM 4071 23 years old 10 NISAN
3781 AD 20 AM 4072 24 years old 10 NISAN
3782 AD 21 AM 4073 25 years old 10 NISAN
3783 AD 22 AM 4074 26 years old 10 NISAN
3784 AD 23 AM 4075 27 years old 10 NISAN
3785 AD 24 AM 4076 28 years old 10 NISAN
3786 AD 25 AM 4077 29 years old 10 NISAN
3787 AD 26 AM 4078 30 years old 10 NISAN [JESUS began to preach the GOSPEL, for 1,440 days].
3788 AD 27 AM 4079 31 years old 10 NISAN
3789 AD 28 AM 4080 32 years old 10 NISAN
3790 AD 29 AM 4081 33 years old 10 NISAN
3791 AD 30 AM 4082 34 years old 10 NISAN [This year is 3790 on the Jewish Calendar; they don’t count the year 0.]
      
JESUS BORN SATURDAY, SHABBAT HaGADOL, "Choosing the Lamb"
10 NISAN, 5 APRIL BC 4.

He was Crucified at age 34, on 9 APRIL, WEDNESDAY 14 NISAN, AD 30.
(TA'ANIT BECHOROT, FAST OF THE 1ST BORN) 3790.
His Birthday was in AD 30, MARCH 30th, 10 NISAN, SHABBAT HaGADOL.
      
  SHALOM!
    Ray

Hello Ray,

In your chronology you posted:




Why do you include a 0 year?  What is your basis for doing so?  My understanding is that there is no such thing as a 0 year. At the time of the early church fathers they used the A.U.C. year.  It was a century or more later that the AD - BC designations were used.  The early church chronology is all A.U.C. based.  

I am still interested in the basis for your chronology of the Babylonian / Assyrian empire.   You seem to be missing 120 years of the Medio - Persian Empire.

Warm Regards,
Wstruse

Wstruse wrote:

"Why do you include a 0 year?  What is your basis for doing so?  My understanding is that there is no such thing as a 0 year. At the time of the early church fathers they used the A.U.C. year.  It was a century or more later that the AD - BC designations were used.  The early church chronology is all A.U.C. based."
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Let's see, back to the days of Dionysius, he identified the year AD 1
(ANNO DOMINI) as the 1st year of the LORD, as the year that Christ
was born. (he was off by 5 years)
The previous year was BC 1, the 1st year before Christ. (Why one in
Latin, the other in English?)

   BC         AD          BC         AD
[4,3,2,1-1,2,3,4]  [4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4]
            * 1,2,3    * 1,2,3 4,5,6,7,8
*Christ Born

I use the dates from the creation of Adam, AM (ANNO MUNDI)

From the creation of Adam; AM 000O (BC 4052) to AM 4048 (BC 0004,)
the birth of Jesus. From AM 0000 (BC 4052) to AM 4052 (BC 0000).

So Jesus was born in AM 4048 (BC 0004) and was hanged on a tree
in AM 4082 (AD 0030), at age 34.
He began to preach the GOSPEL, age 30  in AM 4078 (AD 0026) for 1,440 days,
(360)4, till Calvary ended His life.

[Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about 30 years of age, being
as was supposed the son of Joseph, the son of Heli,]
[LUKE 3:23]
[S. NUMBERS 4:3]
This was after His Baptism and 40 days in the wilderness.


SHALOM!
  Ray    























  

EVIL – MERODACH (2 years) AM 3604 – AM 3606 (BC 448 – BC 446)
   "Amel Marduk"

In the 37th year of Jehoiachin’s exile (12th month, 27th day); AM 3568 + 36 years =
AM 3604. Evil-Merodach began to reign.

Jehoiachin AM 3567 – AM 3567 (3 months). The 8TH year of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign.
He did not go to Babylon until the spring of AM 3568, NISAN 10.
In AM 3604 (BC 448), he was released from prison and dined with the Royals.

NERIGLASSAR (4 years) AM 3606 - AM 3610 (BC 446 - BC 442).

NERGAL-SHAREZER (9 months) AM 3610 - AM 3610 (BC 442 - BC 442).

NABONIDUS (17 years) AM 3610 - AM 3627 (BC 442 - BC 425).
(Nabunaid)
"May Bel protect the King"

BELSHAZZAR (14 years) AM 3613 - AM 3627 (BC 439 - BC 425).
(Son and Co-regent)


                            THE KINGDOM OF PERSIA

CYRUS (6 years) AM 3627 - AM 3633 (BC 425 - BC 419)

...Who says of Cyrus, He is my Shepherd and will accomplish all that I
please; he will say of Jerusalem, "Let it be rebuilt, and of the Temple,
let its foundations be laid."
[ll CHR. 36:22,23; ISA.44:28; ISA. 45:13]

I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight.
He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for price or reward.

TEMPLE BURNT AM 3578 (BC 474) + 7 Weeks (49 years) = AM 3627
(BC 425) ~ Cyrus' Decree + 1 year = AM 3628 (BC 424); 2nd year of
Cyrus, the Foundation of the Temple was laid. It took 20 years to
complete in a time of trouble, AM 3648 (BC 404). This was the end
also of the 70 year "Babylonian Captivity," BC 474 - BC 404.

It should be noted that Daniel went to Babylon in AM 3558 (BC 494) +
70 year captivity = AM 3628 (BC 424), the 2nd year of Cyrus and the
year the Foundation of the Temple was laid. It is also 490 years to the
birth of Christ. AM 3558 + 490 years = AM 4048 (BC 4).
[S. DANIEL 9:23-27]

SHALOM!
Ray    

Continued:

  THE KINGDOM OF PERSIA cont.’

DARIUS “The Mede” AM 3627 – AM 3633 (BC 425 – BC 419)
“Amelpihate” age 62
[DANIEL 5: 31]

CAMBYSES ll (8 years) AM 3633 – AM 3641 (BC 419 – BC 411)
(Son of Cyrus)

Smerdis (Pretender) 8 months; AM 3641 – AM 3642 (BC 411 – BC 410)
(Deceased Son of Cyrus)
[The Temple work was impeded until the 2nd year of Darius.]

DARIUS “The Great”  (36 years); AM 3642 – AM  3678 (BC 410 – BC 374).
(Father of Ahaseurus ~ Xerxes l)

The Temple ll was completed in the 6th year of Darius AM 3642 + 6 years = AM 3648
(BC 404).
The end of the 70-year “Babylonian Captivity.” AM 3578 + 70 years = AM 3648 (BC 404).

“It will take 2300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”
[DANIEL 8: 14}
AM 3648 + 2300 years = AM 5948 (AD 1896); “The Third Millennium”
Theador Herzl, “Der Juden Staat,” Zionism, and the Restoration of Israel.


SHALOM!
  Ray