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JOYOFY'SHUA SAYS:

   EBER (age 464)            AM  1723  (BC 2329)
[Father of Hebrews]    

"I thought that Isaac was the first Hebrew/Jewish man."
_____________________________________________________
(H)eber, the name Hebrew comes from him. Progenator of the
Hebrews.
Isaac was the promised seed, Sarai gave birth to him, age 90.
He was a type of Jesus, the True Promised Seed. He was
"sacrificed" like Jesus. The first "Jewish" man was Judah, one
of the 12 sons of Jacob. [Israel] His tribe along with Benjamin
formed the Kingdom of Judah.
Isaac was certainly Hebrew, but not Jewish.
A lot of people think Moses was Jewish, he wasn't, he was
a Levite.
G-D never called his children "Christian," but rather, "Israel."
Those of you who have "born again;" by taking Christ as your
LORD and SAVIOUR are called the Israel of G-D.
"Christian" was a derogatory term first used at Antioch.
The Apostle Paul said that if was to suffer as a "Christian"
he would count it all as glory.

SHALOM!
  RAB   Cheesygrin
RayBurghen Wrote:

JOYOFY'SHUA SAYS:

   EBER (age 464)            AM  1723  (BC 2329)
[Father of Hebrews]    

"I thought that Isaac was the first Hebrew/Jewish man."
_____________________________________________________
(H)eber, the name Hebrew comes from him. Progenator of the
Hebrews.
Isaac was the promised seed, Sarai gave birth to him, age 90.
He was a type of Jesus, the True Promised Seed. He was
"sacrificed" like Jesus. The first "Jewish" man was Judah, one
of the 12 sons of Jacob. [Israel] His tribe along with Benjamin
formed the Kingdom of Judah.
Isaac was certainly Hebrew, but not Jewish.
A lot of people think Moses was Jewish, he wasn't, he was
a Levite....


But Levites are Jewish. Also, why all are the tribes called 'Eretz-Yisra'el?
JOYOFY'SHUA SAYS:


    "But Levites are Jewish. Also, why all are the tribes called 'Eretz-Yisra'el?"
_______________________________________________________
Judah and Levi were brothers; and of the sons of Jacob. It is not
possible that the Levites are Jewish. The Levites had no inheritance
of their own but were divided among the other tribes.(S. NU. 18:24)
Now Jacob wrestled all night with an Angel and prevailed.
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel:
for as a prince hast thou power with G-D and with men, and hast
prevailed. GEN. 32:28
  The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and
let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers
Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst
of the earth. GEN. 48:16
  In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen,
and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and
I will build it as in the days of old:
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and all of the heathen,
which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
AM. 9:11-12
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they
shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them, and they shall plant
vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens,
and eat the fruit of them.
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled
up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy G-D.
AMOS 9:11-15 (S. ACTS 15:16-17)

SHALOM!
  RAB  Cheesygrin
RayBurghen Wrote:

JOYOFY'SHUA SAYS:


    "But Levites are Jewish. Also, why all are the tribes called 'Eretz-Yisra'el?"
_______________________________________________________
Judah and Levi were brothers; and of the sons of Jacob. It is not
possible that the Levites are Jewish. The Levites had no inheritance
of their own but were divided among the other tribes.(S. NU. 18:24)


Just because they didn't share an inheritance doesn't mean that they weren't Hebrew/Jewish. All of the 12 tribes are Jewish. Down to the children of the Twelve:

  • Isaac (Jewish), Ishmael (Islam or gentile Christian)
  • Jacob (Messianic Jewish), Esau (Non-Messianic Jewish), "two nations"
  • Levi to Benjamin, all Jewish
  • Children, tribes



    "Just because they didn't share an inheritance doesn't mean that they weren't Hebrew/Jewish. All of the 12 tribes are Jewish. Down to the children of the Twelve:

Isaac (Jewish), Ishmael (Islam or gentile Christian)

Jacob (Messianic Jewish), Esau (Non-Messianic Jewish), "two nations"

Levi to Benjamin, all Jewish

Children, tribes"
___________________________________________________________
Inheritance has nothig to do with it.

Only one tribe is Jewish, JUDAH; and a possability of BENJAMIN
through intermarriage since they formed the Kingdom of Judah.
Apostle Paul claimed to be a Benjaminite and a Jew, referring
maybe to the Kingdom.

Isaac a Jew?? He was born AM 2048 (BC 2004). Judah was born
AM 2182 (BC 1870). That means Isaac was born 134 years BEFORE
Judah. So how??

ISHMAEL, AM 2034 (BC 2018); Mother, Hagar, Egyptian:
             Son of Father Abraham; 1/2 brother to Isaac.
             Sarah kicked them out.
             His progeny sold Joseph to Egypt.
             Esau married into the Ishmaelites, later to become Edomites.
ISLAM? Came into being AM 4662 (AD 610) by Muhammad, age 40.
This was 2,628 years after the birth of Ishmael.
Christian? Christ was born AM 4048 (BC 4). This is 2,014 years after
the birth of Ishmael.
So, you can be HEBREW and NOT Jewish; you can't be Jewish and
not Hebrew [If you're Jewish you are Hebrew too.]
Now, also if you are HEBREW YOU CAN ALSO BE ISRAEL (JACOB),
not Judah. Everyone who has entered into a covenant relationship
with G-D is ISRAEL. [All 12 Tribes are ISRAEL] this includes Gentiles.

G-D calls his people Israel and all who bear His name.

But now we're moving away from the carnal to the spiritual.

Hath G-D cast away his people? G-D FORBID. For I am also an
Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
RO. 11:1


SHALOM!
  RAB             Eek
                
RayBurghen Wrote:

    "Just because they didn't share an inheritance doesn't mean that they weren't Hebrew/Jewish. All of the 12 tribes are Jewish. Down to the children of the Twelve:

Isaac (Jewish), Ishmael (Islam or gentile Christian)

Jacob (Messianic Jewish), Esau (Non-Messianic Jewish), "two nations"

Levi to Benjamin, all Jewish

Children, tribes"
___________________________________________________________
Inheritance has nothig to do with it....

But now we're moving away from the carnal to the spiritual.

Hath G-D cast away his people? G-D FORBID. For I am also an
Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
RO. 11:1


SHALOM!
  RAB             Eek
                



Then why did Paul say, "His people" instead of "just Judah and Benjamin"? As for Isaac, he was the child of the promise.
RayBurghen Wrote:

JOYOFY'SHUA SAYS:

   EBER (age 464)            AM  1723  (BC 2329)
[Father of Hebrews]    

"I thought that Isaac was the first Hebrew/Jewish man."
_____________________________________________________
(H)eber, the name Hebrew comes from him. Progenator of the
Hebrews.
Isaac was the promised seed, Sarai gave birth to him, age 90.
He was a type of Jesus, the True Promised Seed. He was
"sacrificed" like Jesus. The first "Jewish" man was Judah, one
of the 12 sons of Jacob. [Israel] His tribe along with Benjamin
formed the Kingdom of Judah.
Isaac was certainly Hebrew, but not Jewish.
A lot of people think Moses was Jewish, he wasn't, he was
a Levite.
G-D never called his children "Christian," but rather, "Israel."
Those of you who have "born again;" by taking Christ as your
LORD and SAVIOUR are called the Israel of G-D.
"Christian" was a derogatory term first used at Antioch.
The Apostle Paul said that if was to suffer as a "Christian"
he would count it all as glory.

SHALOM!
  RAB   Cheesygrin

Gen 14:13  One of the survivors came and told Abram the Hebrew, who was at the oaks belonging to Mamre the Amorite, the brother of Eshcol and the brother of Aner. They were bound by a treaty with Abram.
SAMMY WROTE:

"Gen 14:13  One of the survivors came and told ABRAM THE HEBREW, who was at the oaks belonging to Mamre the Amorite, the brother of Eshcol and the brother of Aner. They were bound by a treaty with Abram."
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Thanks Sammy, Scripture verifying Scripture. They were all Hebrew;
they were all descended from (H)Eber.
When G-D changed Jacob's name to ISRAEL, they were all called
Israelites.
Hagar and Ishmael are an allegory of the Covenant from the
mount Sinai in Arabia (the LETTER OF THE LAW) which genders
to bondage and answers to Jerusalem.
Now, his son ISAAC, son of the free woman, Sarah, are an allegory
to the Covenant from Jerusalem from above which is free (the SPIRIT
OF THE LAW) based on promise. So too, we are the children of the
free woman.
We are not justified by LAW, for we through the SPIRIT wait for the
hope of righteousness by FAITH that works by LOVE!

If you think about it, how was Father Abraham justified?
BY LAW? ? The LAW did not come  until AM 2668 (BC 1384), Father
Abraham was born AM 1948 (BC 2104); THAT IS 720 YEARS BEFORE
THE LAW!!
It was by his FAITH!!
It is said that Abraham believed G-D!
And it was accounted to him as righteousness.
The sign of cutting off of sin, circumcism in the flesh, was to be in
the heart not just the foreskin.

"This is the Covenant that I will make with them after those days,
saith the LORD; I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in their
minds will I write them;
And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."
HEBREWS 10:16-17

"But this shall be the Covenant that I will make with the house of
Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my LAW in their
inward parts, and write them in their hearts; and I will be their G-D,
and they shall be my people.
JEREMIAH 31:33

Just as King David said, "I delight to do thy will, O my G-D: YEA, THY
LAW is WITHIN MY HEART."
PSALM 40:8

SHALOM!
  RAB    Cheesygrin
Sammy Wrote:

Gen 14:13  One of the survivors came and told Abram the Hebrew, who was at the oaks belonging to Mamre the Amorite, the brother of Eshcol and the brother of Aner. They were bound by a treaty with Abram.



Hebrew does not mean Jewish! Ishmael was Hebrew, but not Jewish. Isaac was the first Jewish man.
RayBurghen Wrote:

    "Just because they didn't share an inheritance doesn't mean that they weren't Hebrew/Jewish. All of the 12 tribes are Jewish. Down to the children of the Twelve:

Isaac (Jewish), Ishmael (Islam or gentile Christian)

Jacob (Messianic Jewish), Esau (Non-Messianic Jewish), "two nations"

Levi to Benjamin, all Jewish

Children, tribes"
___________________________________________________________
Inheritance has nothig to do with it.

Only one tribe is Jewish, JUDAH; and a possability of BENJAMIN
through intermarriage since they formed the Kingdom of Judah.
Apostle Paul claimed to be a Benjaminite and a Jew, referring
maybe to the Kingdom.

Isaac a Jew?? He was born AM 2048 (BC 2004). Judah was born
AM 2182 (BC 1870). That means Isaac was born 134 years BEFORE
Judah. So how??

ISHMAEL, AM 2034 (BC 2018); Mother, Hagar, Egyptian:
             Son of Father Abraham; 1/2 brother to Isaac.
             Sarah kicked them out.
             His progeny sold Joseph to Egypt.
             Esau married into the Ishmaelites, later to become Edomites.
ISLAM? Came into being AM 4662 (AD 610) by Muhammad, age 40.
This was 2,628 years after the birth of Ishmael.
Christian? Christ was born AM 4048 (BC 4). This is 2,014 years after
the birth of Ishmael.
So, you can be HEBREW and NOT Jewish; you can't be Jewish and
not Hebrew [If you're Jewish you are Hebrew too.]
Now, also if you are HEBREW YOU CAN ALSO BE ISRAEL (JACOB),
not Judah. Everyone who has entered into a covenant relationship
with G-D is ISRAEL. [All 12 Tribes are ISRAEL] this includes Gentiles.

G-D calls his people Israel and all who bear His name.

But now we're moving away from the carnal to the spiritual.

Hath G-D cast away his people? G-D FORBID. For I am also an
Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
RO. 11:1


SHALOM!
  RAB             Eek
                





RE:
You amaze me brother. Good share of wisdom... Did you say that God calls His people Israel?  


I'm sure I can learn more about that. Please teach me.
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