This is to One-called member. About: What is (my) your point???
I start with the answers, speaking in the way I usually do.
Yes, it all is the world of incredible symbolism. Thank you. I'm agreeing with you. Means that what you've described is truly correct and I see that the expected job was 100% done as it should. But then it should mean far more. Because to understand that this is symbolism, must too be comprehended what this symbolism in different expressions each time means and tells... Because there are stories to tell, incredible stories, from there..
And when you found out all about what WATER was painted as is to find as in both Bibles (sorry for my way of speaking), it doesn't means it done and finish! Then it should make those who search more eager and hungry, for what it means behind all that. Should be easier when cleared more up, touch the symbolisms nature while trying then discover what's in it. You then should be able to understand the beginning of the essence of this mystery, which still IS, not entire about Jesus or Joshua, Christ or Messiah, & Whom & What & Why & Reason, but pace by pace, part after part . This is the treasure; old Jewish learning’s lives in it, was done by... Read Dead Scrolls as many times as you must until.. Again, this mainly is older and are Hebrew traditions - which then explains what Water is and in what occasions it seems to be: (here as you have dogged out)
1 - ...both truth & people. But then.. If truth, what is, in the water, or how, and this you must clear up far better. If water is people, yes, well done, the truth in peoples, but then again impossible to try: because then the truth won't exist as truth of one sort, or? In Jesus what, a kind of demands or what? If so what in those of Christ? Here in this is a Greek picture of the phenomenon He is. But where were the teachings of Messiah done? And who got the symbols to be understood as what and where? No different between Jews and Greek, sayings in NT, but he differences are in what is what and when and why. What isn’t different is the knowledge of history, but only to a certain point of older time. Only Jews, with Hebrew and Armenians, knew it from the start, when the beginning got its life. It’s almost about 5767 years from now. Greeks starts with the times of Abram… About 1700-1500 years after that. There were and still are available written by words histories, as old as Jewish identity is, and this because of..? But, enough of this for now…
Water symbolic of life giving - Which would indicate The Christ (?) Not enough. That's what the theologians and all priests and monks & all the rest says and believe. But what does it mean? For real. Water as life and life as giving kind of goodness, yes? Sure. No problem with that. Without it we all die of thirst! You wrote: would indicate The Christ. You must be more philosophical than that! Does Christ lives in water and Life in water is, in peoples who are both, but then... what is Christ? Some kind no-existing meaningful nothing or everything..? And if Jesus, Joshua, a Jew living of Truth, Nazareth means word truth - should spoke with his father God – the 4 letters word must not be spoken loud -, mention such stupid things, as all others beliefs, what do you and all the others think that oldest true God would say to this?
Now the clue I give, about; smote the waters – God may, but who else wanna try? Otherwise, this is better to learn. Once there was a guy, some time before the times we speak about, who really felt bigger than he was – like a balloon who touched the heaven – with legs of, well, with his head of, well -, as prophet Daniel once explained – felt higher then all the rest in the entire world, who then called waters for his ownership, and who also smote water (he thought he did) when he meant the bad waters had deserve his punishment. He loved too beat it, to smite the waters. This is to remember a biblical truth and is as well a true historical fact, and sentence.
2 - the "Waters" were a barricade -- Yes, easy to get it, words written in Genesis. It explains however one enormously important historical incident. And this you should find out what is! When you do, you want ask me anymore the way you've did. I Quote: What is your point??? The Point of mine here in this is exact what you and too many others haven't got! Deeper in the insights towards the mystery in this very Hebrew & Jewish Art of Teachings
3 - (John 4:14) Explains a lot in the few words John said. Mainly about a great historical link that then was broken, which was about to be fixed again. I hope you are able not to imagine about what it could be, but to find out what it for real was about! It is said; they will not be, like the Bride -- and this I am again quite sure isn't about them Christian believers, Catholics and Protestants with all the other fractions, take them for and mean Jews. They... - in this is NOT TALK about Jews at all! (But not to forget; both Bibles and more are Jewish works.)
…they will not be ... possessed of immortality -- Again, means what is says; because they are possessed of naked truth and only truth! Because... (this) the Lord describes as water springing up in his people - means Jews here, but also others belonging to this truth and understandings…
Ending is near that's whu I say; it is NOT about or trough faith or beliefs, but only through the knowledge to be spelled out - about what the symbolism is and for real talks about... Symbolism speaks its own kind of language, means other and more - is for them who have got the insights. Who are inscribed to the mystery - within real knowledge of it. The word "wisdom" must be shown - spoken of - presented in almost each description. And all this is main teachings; knowledge what the history is done of & why & of what it has became to what it is. In this what & how people are and behave.
And about the Christ, to easy bread to eat, FIRST; must know what Messiah is & means and exist as. Most of all; what is done of! And about this I believe this; Times when a Jew Jesus lived, seems to me was far more educated in any sense of the word then the later times have became to. This was about the Messiah, and now a bit of Christ…
To something quite else, leading by upside down religious madness and craziness as the main stream of heroes and Lords who since reigns the Worlds, with very faithful religiously folks worse the wolves as servants. Worse the Lions as Kings and High-priests of older times and terms in any means… And all saw the Herr’n and what that Lord has done: the hottest blood he kills and then he drank it all.
Believers of today DON'T ASK anymore.
They are like those from 1800 years ago. They do what they do;
- they believe without asking, in almost everything, and mostly in things they think are as they believe that these are, of easiest-thinking existence. Impossible thoughts & soutions!
All does & goes in quite opposite direction. It seems to me that there is no one anymore who can and is able to develop clever enough questions to ask about mainly this mystery. The last one that is again! For some at least.
The God of Abraham, and the God of Nachor, the God of their father, judge between us.~ Does anybody read about what father of Abraham said of Him - Tarah saw it in heaven, how it started & begun to fall down -and himself start to wonder less or more, about what was the reason he didn't follow his son Abram to where they went to and why they never returned home? Reasons must be explained, are done of historical facts.
And now it is proper of me to say; My Jewishness in my bones begs me for more mercy than I am able to allow to give it away from me. Life is a hard stuff, and so is the death, but the last is mostly all too sleepy fame!
Whom does the Waters speak about? Listen to it, to all of them, and tell me then, when this preaty wet lesson is done!
Shalom my friends.
If next time not in heaven, I'll see you here again then.