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That is the main question - incredible, yes, STILL!

Does anybody understand what JESUS means?

What is written about this pictures, anyone who can & have read about knows, BUT THAT ISN'T ALL. Not at all.

Is anybody still alive who really understand what JESUS as the name & as the framed fame means? If so, EXPLAIN! And here not any Mamma Mia excuses are expected, won't help, but the hardest truth and facts that can make even the Sun shine out-loudly again... (Just a sort of biblical speaking...)  

And YES - this question is not a joke! Have this in mind!

Shalom...
Cool - the LIGHT is sharp, that why I wear glasses...
kiefko Wrote:

That is the main question - incredible, yes, STILL!

Does anybody understand what JESUS means?

What is written about this pictures, anyone who can & have read about knows, BUT THAT ISN'T ALL. Not at all.

Is anybody still alive who really understand what JESUS as the name & as the framed fame means? If so, EXPLAIN! And here not any Mamma Mia excuses are expected, won't help, but the hardest truth and facts that can make even the Sun shine out-loudly again... (Just a sort of biblical speaking...)  

And YES - this question is not a joke! Have this in mind!

Shalom...
Cool - the LIGHT is sharp, that why I wear glasses...


Please forgive me if I have not properly understood this question.

However, as a non-Jewish Christian I understand it this way;

"Jesus" is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua which was originally Hoshea (Oshea) (Numbers 13:8, 16) - the King James Version of the Bible spells it "Oshea", but changed by Moses into Jehoshua (Numbers 13:16 and 1 Chronicles. 7:27), or Joshua. After the Exile it assumed the form Jeshua, from which came the Greek form Jesus. It was given to our Lord (Jesus) to denote the object of His mission, to save. An angel told Joseph (his foster-father), "You are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).

David
Jesus was crucified, to save us. Corinthians has an in depth study in chapter 15 about Jesus true mission.
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Hi DavidJ, and thanks for responding to this. Big Grin

If my question was somehow difficult to understand, is partly because of me. My English in writing, well… Not quite perfect, honest, and too, I for sure use it more a poetical way. I write poetry. Sorry! And now, here is the answer to your argument...  

You wrote that because you are none a Jewish-Christian you understand that: "Jesus" is the Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua... and all the rest in this content. All this is quite correct... 100%.

But by this let me express the necessity of one point: Names as Jesus or Joshua, or as Jehoshua, are JEWISH, as both I and you as well with the rest know; and are the Greek forms of Hebrew... which was originally Hoshea (Oshea) (Numbers 13:8, 16).

I have to extend fare more the text you’ve brought up in here:
After the Exile it assumed the form Jeshua, from which came the Greek form Jesus…

Yes, truth, no less no more to say about it. But let me explain by adding this. After the Exile.., means what you should know, but you don’t! After the exile demands knowledge of “What did happened during the Exile… is the reason which had made this fact come into life! This must be understood before the picture in..
Why the form JOSHUA, from which came the Greek form JESUS… can by seen as the truth – on the basis on what had happened…
  
AGAIN… and this is quite important to have it all correct in mind. Because you see, in the next the solution for this appears in a full speed. In a quite sophisticated form. Means: one must have the entire Scripture texts in mind all the time.

Mainly is about… the SALVATION which comes from JEWS, always from Jews only, the truly salvation, the purest and cleanest form of it-, is what we all know. Is what the Scripture says. Means: any other views with differences will falsify the understanding. Will only make it worse and mislead true comprehension, make it quite impossible. Such a choice leads all those and everyone following them right out of the road and out of the truth.  

Here I give you the correct answer related to the last picture expressed in words. To what these words in the Scripture says and talked exactly about… Which actually at the same time explain as most by clearing up any wrong ideas and misunderstandings you still may have within your mind. Is in reference to the last argument below-, and your own and quite opposite of my own understanding of this - in the text from the Scripture.

I quote:
An angel told Joseph (his foster-father), "You are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).

You see, HIS PEOPLE aren't JEWS the way you all have in mind, because those are Jewish GREEKS, because HE is in the name JESUS as a call, that name which itself is from Hebrew. Yes, HE is a JEW – and HE is the One who will SAVE HIS PEOPLE, Greek Jews, Jewish Greeks, Jews who spoke & read Greek… as the text says;

he will save his people from their sin... (This should explain the entire reason, but not if you don’t know what “Greek Sin Was” at that time).  

Back to HE is a JEW - as a SAVIOUR - in this picture, is for the speaking Greek language, reveals how deeply of pure linguistic matter it was and still is. But how many knows and how many speaks about it? Never those who never comprehend, those who do one thing; look up to heaven and pray for reaches to be send down to them… Ha, this was just a truly true joke, and not even bloody one.

By the way; before anyone dream of what and how looks Christ in their own minds, what visions those see, all those are wrong and never are correct. The prime dilemma all believers have, the Big Problem they don’t even know about, never recognize, won’t ever comprehend, is about the Hebrew identity Messiah, which is the original name. The only way to know it is to start from the beginning to learn all about, with no mistake during the learning process. The main supreme object is Messiah. In this name all the powers of goodness make the entry. In that name stays the knowledge of what true SAVIOUR (in Greek) should possess. Within that only name: Messiah – the after-name Joshua as first rests!  
    
What about the languages? While in Judea at that time Aramaic was used, both Greeks and Romans spoke Greek, and those among Romans who could, other wrote and spoke Latin and other languages. The Roman Army was on international made army with people speaking many different languages.

But mainly – all in all; it was about 3 languages only. Hebrew & Aramaic, Greek, Latin… Shy   
    
And that's why the text you’ve used I quotation, and I appreciate very much, because you’ve picked up the essentials which are giving highly unexpected explanations as well, those you didn’t know about. I’m aware of the way you think, because theological views, as wrong as they are, are everywhere, in almost any books to find. According to such falsified pictures everyone who is a Christian in faith is a doomed slave, because of it, and when the same way of thinking follows when trying to answer impossible contents, it had left the reason itself…  

Now, by the ending moment of this interesting text-story, I happily will use it back to you by asking you to tell me who..., but first I quote:  

An angel told Joseph (his foster-father), "You are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21)

Who exact was the ANGEL who told Josef such ordering words?
And what SIN the Greeks had?
Rolleyes

Take all the time you need. And you will need a lot, but I already know that you truly love to READ, and should do so. And please, remember; when you’ve done and have found out, come back here and tell me this... All the others in a meantime may learn a lot from this as well. Big Grin

Shalom…
cor517 Wrote:

Jesus was crucified, to save us. Corinthians has an in depth study in chapter 15 about Jesus true mission.
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The heaven seems to me as being quite a lonely place even now in this new millennium. It's a bad sign! After so long time, still nothing NEW. Except a kind of noise, or echo it is? you put there, trice! Shall it mean by you; Holy Trice-Echo or what else? This your response – to this I had to react, and I do. To what you wrote I give you back a few easy in a way as well as difficult clues... which, if you will follow to the end, you'll (maybe) find out. Let's hope you'll do. I truly hope you are able to this!

Now... (for you for the first to be serious for once), let's clear this up! Rolleyes

First... Sure... what you've mention here, is what the Scripture says. However... To save us, you say, means exact? Shy

Secondly, what Corinthians did exact find out because of studying the subject, is to you to learn about, because it is clearly for me that you, when talking about chapter 15, [/b]about Jesus' true mission[/b] -, haven’t' got what is needed; the slightest comprehension of what the teachings in CORINTH was about. Big Grin

What you do by arguing this way, is repeating the sentences you impossible understand, because you can't & don't know what exact in the teachings was the prime object, [/i][/u]at Corinth then,[/u] of course.

My "contra" here to this, at your quite empty arguments, should be as the work for you to start, is helpinh mind I leave here for you. Is the REASON itself in this case. Think about this as the start for you to begin the search, the clues I gave to follow and.., to study exact what I've showed you that you must: but clearly first to find out, then for yourself to learn this one knowledge;

What exact was the Corinthian teachings about![u]

When you've done THIS MISSION, then come back and speak out.

Good luck & Shalom Cool      
kiefko Wrote:

cor517 Wrote:

Jesus was crucified, to save us. Corinthians has an in depth study in chapter 15 about Jesus true mission.
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The heaven seems to me as being quite a lonely place even now in this new millennium. It's a bad sign! After so long time, still nothing NEW. Except a kind of noise, or echo it is? you put there, trice! Shall it mean by you; Holy Trice-Echo or what else? This your response – to this I had to react, and I do. To what you wrote I give you back a few easy in a way as well as difficult clues... which, if you will follow to the end, you'll (maybe) find out. Let's hope you'll do. I truly hope you are able to this!

Now... (for you for the first to be serious for once), let's clear this up! Rolleyes

First... Sure... what you've mention here, is what the Scripture says. However... To save us, you say, means exact? Shy

Secondly, what Corinthians did exact find out because of studying the subject, is to you to learn about, because it is clearly for me that you, when talking about chapter 15, [/b]about Jesus' true mission[/b] -, haven’t' got what is needed; the slightest comprehension of what the teachings in CORINTH was about. Big Grin

What you do by arguing this way, is repeating the sentences you impossible understand, because you can't & don't know what exact in the teachings was the prime object, [/i][/u]at Corinth then,[/u] of course.

My "contra" here to this, at your quite empty arguments, should be as the work for you to start, is helpinh mind I leave here for you. Is the REASON itself in this case. Think about this as the start for you to begin the search, the clues I gave to follow and.., to study exact what I've showed you that you must: but clearly first to find out, then for yourself to learn this one knowledge;

What exact was the Corinthian teachings about![u]

When you've done THIS MISSION, then come back and speak out.

Good luck & Shalom Cool      
Yeah, you know. Bub,.. a good pat on tha back. Cacti?
cor517 Wrote:

Jesus was crucified, to save us. Corinthians has an in depth study in chapter 15 about Jesus true mission.
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I do it again for the reason that is all too obvious. As the argument used is totally meaningless. This then is my helping thoughts to this answer, once again. And since this is regarding the sentence you wrote, which is quite empty and a very silly argument to use, I truly mean. This only points something that is almost impossible to understand. Unless historically correct logically essences follows and make it all right again. About the simple basics you should know better, and pity is that you don't. There is a sort of thinking you’re missing, is needed first. It’s never possible without it to comprehend. As well it never did in the last 1850-1800 years. This is to remember and never to forget. Rolleyes

Since it is obvious that NONE OF YOU SEE WHAT MUST BE SEEN, you hold hard in the sorts of arguments what is the repetition of already well written consequences which you don’t understand. You are missing, but you yourself never ask WHAT! That's why you are apart from and far away the truth. Almost like you are forbidden from entering the golden treasures filled with environment of clear understanding.  

Here is the little HELP you get from me. This you need to study closer, find out first before you start to think about, or even take a trip to Corinth. Because is necessary as long you are blind and don’t see the facts. You need these first of all. And since my English in writing isn’t as perfect as yours, I do however, and this I know, use it in simple way. This means should be easy for you to understand my points.

LET’S START from what is written the 1 Corinthians in chapter 1st;

1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; why God here is the faithfulness itself, and why mentioned here the fellowship of his son Jesus, who is called Christ, and of (theirs) Lord, but of what kind of consideration is all this said? Don’t try to play here on the meaninglessness of the word like Faith. Remember that KNOWLEDGE isn’t what the faith is dreaming of and of what it believes may know!    

1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; that ye all speak the same thing,- speaking in what way about these things? Not through FAITH alone, unless the philosophical essence of the very essential knowledge is owned - also through-out the wisdom about the nature of living things - what is then the teaching of what kind? 

1:11; For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; the problem in existence here you MUST COMPREHEND AND RESOLVE – need search & find out who Chloe was – the informant of Paul...

1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; This is a MUST to all of you to comprehend; who each & one of those 4 are!

1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?  

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; Was Paul or not crucified for this sake? YOU here doesn't mean for your sake, but for the Christians (Paul as a Hebrew was spreading the knowledge for all others than Jews, since Peter was doing it among them) of that time when they belonged to what they became mainly to be of Jewish in essence of traditions of knowledge’s about the environmental creations by Jewish teachings about those acts...

1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; Paul made a statement and thanks God for this that NOT HE WHO BAPTIZED THEM, but that those who did it were those two named. FIND OUT who those 2 are!

1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; Paul also did it for that name, is not sure if did for any other... the key here is the NAME!

1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

CLARIFY FOR YOURSELF; Paul explain the nature of what Paul is doing and what is the way and purpose: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect...
This means that the most difficult in this is the object WISDOM itself and in this the mission MUST NOT BE THE CASE at all, because if it did, then the cross of Christ and the power of it (also the minded picture of the pain such act shows) would LOOSE the effect. Means the expected effect - that to whom it is spoken about starting to believe in and receive by this the belief itself; the FAITH – would NOT be possible as long "the wisdom of words" should follow and be exposed. Because the word WISDOM with its containment is all too heavy stuff - never simple folk of faith to bother with, but for the hard-headed with hardened hearts in their chests individuals, learned and educated by written words, also teachers and masters of certain kinds of knowledge.

Living by REASONS, knowing why… You Are What You Are – all this while you can speak and read and think… Example showing what makes the distinction between owning the reason or not is as simple as this: if you pray, asking for wisdom to receive, don’t ever believe that you’ll receive it just like that, because it then should be flying in to your head from where?Cool  

That’s all this time. But I’ll come back with more after you’ve done you done what you need to have & to own in your mind. You’ll then see it and understand.

What more is to say, is this; FAR MORE CLEVER QUESTIONS FROM YOU WITH PROPER ARGUMENTS, where are they? Shy I wait for nothing it seems? Now, don't be to shy, dig harder within you and get them up.

ShalomWinkBig Grin
kiefko Wrote:



An angel told Joseph (his foster-father), "You are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21)

Who exact was the ANGEL who told Josef such ordering words?
And what SIN the Greeks had?
Rolleyes

Take all the time you need. And you will need a lot, but I already know that you truly love to READ, and should do so. And please, remember; when you’ve done and have found out, come back here and tell me this... All the others in a meantime may learn a lot from this as well. Big Grin

Shalom…



Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Luke 1:26
And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Luke 1:28
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Gabriel pulled back the curtain of heaven and A multitude of heavenly Host were praising God/Jesus.
Luke 2:13
And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

What Sin the Greek had? Hmm, lets talk about this one.

First I am curious has to why you are centering out the Greeks here. You must be referring to something in Greek history. BUT, if you are referring to the SIN, the original sin from Adam then this sin was passed upon the children of Adam. For by one man Adam all have sinned and by one man Christ all shall be made alive. Death passed onto us from Adam and only by the shed blood of the Lamb man can find redemption.

May I further state that the tribe of Judah is only one tribe out of twelve and as you know they are called Israel. Jesus came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel not just to Judah.

The Apostle Paul is from the house of Benjamin and he is the father of the Church of Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15
For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

I have to go out so I will post what I have.

I thought Jesus/Y'shua name literally means "Yahweh saves His people".

I got to tell Tovia Singer that on his program. But he so nice he said he pray for me. I must have sounded so young like a teenager, when accidentally said "thank you Yahweh." Redface He thought I was calling him Yahweh. And he did not stop me. He thought I needed a rabbi. He thought I was of  those "righteous Gentiles" that would do anything for Israel. that I would become a Noahite and drop the "J" man the altogether.

I wrote he back to let know he was mistaken. And I could not ever give up Yeshua. My Beloved mine and I am His. Funny Tovia doesn't speak to me anymore..........


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