what does the scripture say?
Immersion:
MUCH WATER
John was baptising in Aenon because there was much water John 3:23
INTO TH WATER
They both went down into the water - Acts 8:39
OUT OF THE WATER
They came up out of the water - Acts 8:39
PLANTED IN WATER
We have been planted together - Romans 6:5
Is it in the plan of Salvation?
1 THE BIBLE SAYS SO!
John 3:5 Except a man be born of the water and the Spirit,he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Bible commentaries agree this refers to baptism
see His.Christian Church,Catholic Encycl., Temples Bible Dict.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved
Notice how Jesus places baptism in conjunction with salvation.
1Peter 3:21 Baptism doth also now save us. see Acts 10:6 and 48
IT REMITS SIN
Hebrews 9:22
The application of the blood of Christ is necessary to remit sin. What then is the Biblical way to recieve the remissiion of sin? The answer to this question will also be the only way to get the savior's blood applied
Luke 24:47 Repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name....(Jesus).
Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..."
The blood of Jesus is applied only through water baptism in the name of Jesus. 1 John 5:8 and Acts 22:16
BAPTISES INTO CHURCH
Jerusalem - 3000 added by lbaptism after recieving the word Acts 2:41
Samaria - believed and were baptised, men and women Acts 2:12-16
Caesarea -Peter commanded them to be baptised Acts 10:48
Corinth Acts 16:14-33, Ephasus Acts 10:1-6, Galatia Gal 3:27
Colosse Col 2:12 and Rome Romans 6:1-4.
What Name?
Jews - Repent and be baptised everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 2:38
Samaritans - They were basptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Acts 8:16
Gentiles - He commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Acts 10:48 (RV)
PETER TAUGHT - There is none other name given whereby we must be saved Acts 4:12
PAUL TAUGHT - Whatever you do, do it all in te name of the Lord Jesus. Col. 3:17
NO ONE WAS BAPTISED IN THE TITLES ANYWHERE IN SCRIPTURE
HOW DID EARLY CHURCH INTERPRET CHRIST'S COMMAND IN MATTHEW 28:19? ACTS 2:38, 8:15,8:16,10:48 AND 19:5 ALL ANSWER THE QUESTION IF THAT ISN'T ENOUGH REFER TO FOLLOWING:
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA VOLUME 2 PAGE 263 -
Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by the Catholic Church
BRITANICA ENCYCLOPEDIA, 11TH EDITION, VOLUME 3,PAGE 365
Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to word Father,Son and Holy Ghost in 2nd Century
CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA FO RELIGION, PAGE 53
The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century
SCHAFF - HERZOG RELIGIOUS ENCYCLOPEDIA PAGE 88
IT MUST BE ACKNOWLEDGED that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 DOES NOT appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the NAME OF JESUS, JESUS CHRIST OR LORD JESUS
SHOULD ANYONE DARE TO CHANGE WHAT CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES HAVE ESTABLISHED?....food for thought.
To whom much is given (or shown) much is required
Yes I wholeheartedly agree, Water Baptsim is absolutely essential for the forgiveness of sins(Acts 2:38). Jesus clearly said water and spirit in John 3:5. They go hand in hand and cannot be separated. You have to be Born Again-thru distinct entities, water and spirit. There is simply no other way. All attempts to get rid of these plain facts have sprung from doctrinal prejudices.
Here's a wonderful comment by H.A.W Mayer on John 3: 5
"Water, inasmuch as the man is baptized therewith for the forgiveness of sins and spirit inasmuch as the holy ghost is given to the person baptized in order to his spiritual renewal and sanctification.."
For people who say just faith is enough, little do they realize that scripturally, Faith in Jesus actually encompasses, love , repentance and water baptism which are all an essential part of the salvation equation. Which of these makes more sense-He who believes and is baptized will be saved or he who believes and is not baptized will be saved?
And for those that use the thief on the cross and similar arguments, the simple answer is Jesus had all authority in Heaven and on earth to forgive sins. Jesus was GOD! Jesus never baptized because we are supposed to be baptized into his name( after his mission to gain victory over sin and death was accomplished per Isaiah 25:8)
btw I was water baptized in the bay a couple of months ago!!
God bless,
Nick
Rom 6:3 Or don't you know that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:3 - That so many of us -- Already members of Christ's Body.
As were baptized -- Immersed, not sprinkled.
This is the real baptism, of which immersion into water is the only beautiful and appropriate symbol.
An admission in Christ; into the Body or Church of Christ.
Greek, baptizo; to bury, immerse, cover up, submerge. If immersed into Christ, we lose ourselves.
Plunged, swallowed up, buried. The Apostle is urging the vow of consecration. From the time of full consecration to God, we are counted as being dead.
The Gentiles require immersion into Christ.
The laver clearly typifies baptism.
Into Christ -- Not into water.
This affords a suggestion of words which are suitable to symbolical immersion.
Into the Body, of which Christ is the Head.
None enter the Body of Christ except by the immersion of their wills into the will of Christ.
Our introduction into the Body of Christ as wild olive branches grafted into the approved stock.
We are not merely baptized into the glorious Body of the future, but we are baptized into Y'shua that we might share in the death of Y'shua, the sacrifice, and share in the glory of Y'shua, the Messiah.
Become with Y'shua, The Christ, the Anointed, for Christ means anointed.
Our oneness with Y'shua as members of The Christ, may be clearly illustrated by the figure of the pyramid.
Not into the Baptist Church nor any human institution, but the one true Church of the living God.
The Disciples denomination misunderstand and are practicing John's baptism of repentance and remission of sins.
Were baptized -- Not into water, but into burial of our wills, which control body, hands, feet, eyes, mouth, brain, bank account, and all that we have.
Scriptural baptism is indispensable. No one will be of the Little Flock who has not been baptized.
This baptism will not be complete until the last member shall have passed into death.
Into his death -- Made participators with him in his sacrificial death.
"Being made conformable to his death." (Phil. 3:10)
A full consecration of our wills and ultimately a full laying down of our lives, faithfully unto death.
Self denial as we crucify the human nature with its affections and desires.
The eternal death of the human nature.
Not Adamic death, but a ransom or substitute for it.
We share also in the results of Christ's death; the putting away of the sins of the whole world.
It is hard to die in any sense, but it is especially hard to be dead to the world, its opinions, pleasures and wishes, while still in it.
By the giving up of things not sinful, and to which you have a right, as men.
In the Church's case also a death to sin.
Praise and blame are nothing to him who is really dead and buried with Christ.
"Baptism into death" excludes no denominational lines. It includes those of every denomination and of no denomination who comply with its conditions of faith and obedience and consecration unto death.
It is a very different thing to be baptized into death with Jesus, and to be baptized into water with him.
Not for remission of sins.
God has never counted any in as members of the Church of Christ except those who have fully surrendered their wills to him and become dead to the world.
Gentiles needed to be baptized into Christ's death.
Rom 6:4 We are buried -- We have been entombed. (Diaglott)
Burial of our human will into the will of Christ is our death as human beings.
In a sense each one buried loses his own individuality and self control and merges into the Body of Christ.
The instant of this burial is followed by our begetting.
In symbolic baptism, one no more buries himself than he raises himself. We merely surrender our wills, our all, to the Lord.
Him -- Y'shua. Christ.
By baptism -- By the immersion. (Diaglott)
Nowhere does the Bible say that it is water baptism which inducts the believers into Christ.
The water immersion is merely a symbol or picture of the burial of the individual's will and interests in death.
Immersed into the Body, the true Church.
Begotten, at the moment of full consecration.
The door of sacrifice.
Into death -- Participation with the Redeemer in the death which he died.
Death to self-will, earthly hopes, aims and prospects.
Death to the flesh.
We are accepted only by giving up our own will, and taking instead the will of God.
That like -- In order that.
Raised up -- Baptism is an emblem of both death and resurrection.
He was resurrected to the divine plane.
From the dead -- For parts of three days he lay dead in the tomb--not alive in any sense.
He had given up his human life never to take it up again.
Glory of the Father -- Divinity.
Even so we also -- From the time of our consecration, the immersion of our wills into that of the Lord. The Bride is called to the same glorious nature as her Head.
Our condition is a reckoned one in Christ justified, dead, resurrected now.
Walk -- Circumspectly not as fools, redeeming the time.
In newness of life -- Refers indirectly to our share in the first resurrection, refers chiefly to the present life.
In a new life. (Diaglott)
Reckon ourselves as though we had been resurrected, and were not actually spiritual beings, as Y'shua now is; abstaining from sin and rejoicing in communion with him.
New creatures with an inward man, or hidden man of the heart who is being renewed day by day.
Newness of hopes, ambitions, relationship to God through Christ.
Our resurrection is already begun.
We are figuratively raised from the dead.
As creatures of a new nature, to which we were instantly begotten after consecration.
(with commentary by Nicole)
Our resurrection is already begun.
We are figuratively raised from the dead, [which I agree with in a way; but I'll emphasize on that later.]
As creatures of a new nature, to which we were instantly begotten[?]after consecration. [Really? So, we now had no beginning, no end; and we weren't formerly sinners? So then, who is "God's only begotten Son?" "one_called", you have a lot of chutzpah, and you may want to just think about why a Jewish Bill O'Reilly would have a field-day featuring you on "The Oy Vey of the Day".]
Rom 6:3 Or don't you know that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:3 - That so many of us -- Already members of Christ's Body.
As were baptized -- Immersed, not sprinkled.
This is the real baptism, of which immersion into water is the only beautiful and appropriate symbol.
An admission in Christ; into the Body or Church of Christ.
Greek, baptizo; to bury, immerse, cover up, submerge. If immersed into Christ, we lose ourselves.
Plunged, swallowed up, buried. The Apostle is urging the vow of consecration. From the time of full consecration to God, we are counted as being dead.
The Gentiles require immersion into Christ.
The laver clearly typifies baptism.
Into Christ -- Not into water.
This affords a suggestion of words which are suitable to symbolical immersion.
Into the Body, of which Christ is the Head.
None enter the Body of Christ except by the immersion of their wills into the will of Christ.
Our introduction into the Body of Christ as wild olive branches grafted into the approved stock.
We are not merely baptized into the glorious Body of the future, but we are baptized into Y'shua that we might share in the death of Y'shua, the sacrifice, and share in the glory of Y'shua, the Messiah.
Become with Y'shua, The Christ, the Anointed, for Christ means anointed.
Our oneness with Y'shua as members of The Christ, may be clearly illustrated by the figure of the pyramid.
Not into the Baptist Church nor any human institution, but the one true Church of the living God.
The Disciples denomination misunderstand and are practicing John's baptism of repentance and remission of sins.
Were baptized -- Not into water, but into burial of our wills, which control body, hands, feet, eyes, mouth, brain, bank account, and all that we have.
Scriptural baptism is indispensable. No one will be of the Little Flock who has not been baptized.
This baptism will not be complete until the last member shall have passed into death.
Into his death -- Made participators with him in his sacrificial death.
"Being made conformable to his death." (Phil. 3:10)
A full consecration of our wills and ultimately a full laying down of our lives, faithfully unto death.
Self denial as we crucify the human nature with its affections and desires.
The eternal death of the human nature.
Not Adamic death, but a ransom or substitute for it.
We share also in the results of Christ's death; the putting away of the sins of the whole world.
It is hard to die in any sense, but it is especially hard to be dead to the world, its opinions, pleasures and wishes, while still in it.
By the giving up of things not sinful, and to which you have a right, as men.
In the Church's case also a death to sin.
Praise and blame are nothing to him who is really dead and buried with Christ.
"Baptism into death" excludes no denominational lines. It includes those of every denomination and of no denomination who comply with its conditions of faith and obedience and consecration unto death.
It is a very different thing to be baptized into death with Jesus, and to be baptized into water with him.
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Dear One_called,
God clearly commanded water baptism. It is symbolic, yes, but is neverthless commanded as a witness to the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. Also Remember that in Genesis, the spirit of God hovered above the water. Don't underestimate the power of water. No water, no Life.
Ofcourse, just the mere process of immersion does not save. Being born from above has it's origins in God and God alone, for salvation is God's work. Complete and unflinching belief(trust) in Jesus and a serious commitment to bible obedience is a pre-requisite before a person can be water baptized. Again, God's spirit guides the person and being born from above is an enduring, perpetual and eternal beginning.
Thanks,
Nick
Dear One_called,
God clearly commanded water baptism. It is symbolic, yes, but is neverthless commanded as a witness to the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord. Also Remember that in Genesis, the spirit of God hovered above the water. Don't underestimate the power of water. No water, no Life.
Ofcourse, just the mere process of immersion does not save. Being born from above has it's origins in God and God alone, for salvation is God's work. Complete and unflinching belief(trust) in Jesus and a serious commitment to bible obedience is a pre-requisite before a person can be water baptized. Again, God's spirit guides the person and being born from above is an enduring, perpetual and eternal beginning.
Thanks,
Nick
Nick,
I didn't undergo
mivkeh and I've been saved.
I think it is best to be safe than sorry. If you are wondering about something regarding your soul it is probably a good sign the Holy Spirit is trying to tell you something.
I think it is best to be safe than sorry. If you are wondering about something regarding your soul it is probably a good sign the Holy Spirit is trying to tell you something.
Well, GW008, I was baptized as a baby in a Roman Catholic church, and I was saved when I was six. So, what does that say about water baptism?
Mikvah was understood in the first jewish congregations for numerable reasons. I beleve that our God may be tolerable of our ignorance to its importance {especially as we are raised ignorant of its signifigance}. It is sighted as the strategic location of our death and burial in Messiah.
This doesn't express a water regeneration doctrine. There are orther areas of Gods covenant requests that I find equally mysterious.
Goy: I have argued baptism from a "typological" position before only to discover a serious scriptural command we are under {maybe as important as the circumciscion was to Israel}. It was important enough for our Savior to consider the acr "one of righteousness".
This will give you the oportunity to research and maybe glean Gods will for you in the waters of mikveh.
Goy: I have argued baptism from a "typological" position before only to discover a serious scriptural command we are under {maybe as important as the circumciscion was to Israel}. It was important enough for our Savior to consider the acr "one of righteousness".
This will give you the oportunity to research and maybe glean Gods will for you in the waters of mikveh.
Joshua,
This is a reply to an e-mail I sent asking about mivkeh:
Thanks for writing with your question. As you've seen by now,
Christians don't necessarily agree on how to baptize, whether by
immersion, sprinkling, etc. It's true that many scholars tell us
that the Greek word for baptize means to immerse, but there are
arguments on both sides of the fence.
I don't think Jews for Jesus can arbitrate this for you. We have
people on our staff who attend a variety of churches, some of which
immerse, some of which sprinkle. You need to speak to your own
pastor and then make a decision based on your conscience.
There is a book "The Water That Divides" by Donald Bridge, that talks
about the different views of baptism. It's out of print, but you can
find it used on amazon.com or via interlibrary loan at a public
library.
But primarily your pastor can help you work through the issue in your
own mind and make a decision with a clear conscience.