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does anyone know another board with more direct communications. this may be more modern im told but i dont think it as effextive for anything.

im afraid jews for jesus is becoming jews for 'jew for jesus'  

the other system had flaws but it much better than this one.

i been around since 02 but i think it now time for me to bail.

dont anyone trust that rabbi anymore especially if he says that jesus didnt fill the messianic criteria. remember this two important.

one is that messiah means salvation and not a person. salvation was to come to the people during the roman occupation and cant come any pther time.

second, that the people broke the covenant with god and god did not break it. the divorce was final after the seventy weeks over and messiah was cut off from the living and was only available for the dead that were promised. christ descended into hell during the 3 days and freed them.

judaism is history and any rabbi that knows scripture knows the truth. that makes him a liar of a stupid rabbi. one of the two. i hope it the latter.

e mail me if you know a good place where some jews need help.

shaloooooooom!

davidjeasterly@comcast.net

David,
Most Jews whom I know have little or no interest in the
kind of "help" you are offering. In fact, they would
probably be happy if you concentrated on your own
problems.

"THERE IS NO RIGHT WAY TO DO THE WRONG THING"

ok,

so tell them "most you know" jews to stay away from me and there wont be a problem. i dont have any mission to convert jews. jesus calls them, not me.

you might note that my thread asked about jews who wanted help. it wasnt about askin for jews who dont want help.

if you want to try and stop the universal word from spreading then, it is you that is doing the very thing that you accuse me of. you want to stop the messianic from their exodus from judah, so you confront me because you think im responsible for that..

there is no doubt in my mind about what you saying being true. i know that orthodax jews are brain washed by the teaching from their youth and cant help themselves. but some do escape and start think for themselves and they need help.

that im ready to show them how yahweh divorced you hypocrites, gave you unfaithful flesh eaters an ultimatim, then after saving the dead and the faithful living by his blood offering, cut messiah off from the living. jesus became their only recourse and it stands today.

the new covent is the same as the old with an updated torah called the gospel. the third temple jew must keep this covenant and not fall into the lutheran trap when they crawl out of the pit .

judah is divorced and nothing. and martin luther installs the errors of judaism in the new land when he says that all a person must do is to take his seat in the new temple and wait for the king to return.

one must keep the laws of the new covenant. if they dont, they are no different than their predecessors. the grace of baptism is not enuf. martin luther heretical antichrist who set a trap and many messianic are falling into it.


for sure.

about my problemsL i'd take any help i can get. my problem is suffering the frustration of wading thru bonedome judaistic spam by jews (mostly) that dont believe in their own god, yahweh. they mouth judaism all day and all night but if, they were true to their own hearts, they would have taken a rocket sled down from that old mountain long ago.

david

Do you know who God Is?

messiah means The anotied One. and Jesus is the One Yeshua means salvation aswell as Jesus. Joshua is name also given to him. diff names but all lead to the same Lord.

one is that messiah means salvation and not a person. salvation was to come to the people during the roman occupation and cant come any pther time.

second, that the people broke the covenant with god and god did not break it. the divorce was final after the seventy weeks over and messiah was cut off from the living and was only available for the dead that were promised. christ descended into hell during the 3 days and freed them.


To begin I'll ask you some questions, knowing as a Gentile, I understand how a person can be lost, since the time of the Law had been written. Many have tryed to seek wisdom to the New covenant and the curse.

First question....

If a calf or Oxen or dove or wheat could not fullfill keeping the Law handed down to Moses by The Lord that kept those who "tryed" to worship God from harm or Death, who or what animal in your mind had the power to lead the people (Isrealites) out of bondage or slavery?

Second question....

The covenant cant be broken! It is a promise made by God. Man is corruptible, man broke the law.

Do you consider the spirit that lives inside of you full of confusion making you feel dead, making yourself ask questions as to why the Isrealite tribes ( remember, from one tribe, there are millions of tribes...seeds) were so weak to keep the Law, descended into  more inslavement ,bondage ,CHILD SACRIFICES causing them to cryout unto the Lord to be saved from such horror. Bieng lost still wanting that relationship with the Father that said he would protect you?

I would like to communicate with you regarding your questions, please make sure that when you respond you type as grammatically correct "as possible" ( at times i may type to fast) so that we understand each other.

God Bless you David in the name of Jesus Christ.


Just a reminder, Jesus Christ is The King of The Jews

John Chapter 19 verse 19-21  ( New Testament) King James Version

19 And Pilate wrote a title, and  put it on the cross. and the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
20 This title then read manyof the Jews: for the place was where nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.

  god gave moses the job because moses judged god. he implied to god that he should be doing something and when he did this, god said (as if by law), "therefore i send you moses". god required of moses that which moses required of god.

that baloney. many jews believe that and that may be why they are so stubborn. the covenant was that "if you keep my statutes i will be your god and you will be my people". the people broke the covenant and so the 'if' factor is applied. to break the law (consistently) is to break the covenant.  it was prophesied and written that he would divorce them and the 'seventy weeks' account in daniel is the details.

heheheee...im the spirit that lives inside me.

no! when the people break the covenant, god withdraw his protection and the people fall into calamity. this has been the way of the lord throughout the scripture from the time adam and eve were tossed. IT IS the hardship and suffering of exile that brings them back like prodical children. when the cold wind blows, it will turn your head around.

The Covenant was certainly broken and replaced with the new one.

Zec:11:10: And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it assunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people.
The Messiah Jesus took His staff Beauty (graciousness) and broke it and grace was ended for all the people under the Covenant through Moses.
Zec:11:11: And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

The poor of the flock are those who followed the Messiah. They recognized the Truth that the covenant made through Moses had been broken, completely annulled, and replaced by the New Covenant

Zec:11:12: And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
God predicted the sale of the Messiah by apostate Israel for 30 pieces of silver. This was fulfilled by Judas and the leaders of Israel.
Zec:11:13: And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
This predicted the use of the 30 pieces of silver to buy the potter's field to bury strangers in.
Zec:11:14: Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

Then, after the resurrection of the Messiah, the abolishment of the Old Covenant, and the fulfillment of verse 1-23, He cut asunder the staff called Bands (Union). The meaning of this was that the united nation of Judah and Ephraim would be dispersed again (verse 14). It came to pass in 70 A.D.) when the 13 tribes were again scattered among the nations(Luke 21:20-24).

Zec:11:15: And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.
Zec:11:16: For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.
Zec:11:17: Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

The above is the Antichrist who is to come to Israel.
Jer:31:31: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with
the house of Judah:

God has made a New Covenant a New Testament.
M't:26:28: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
A great portion of the Scriptures is about unbelief, disobedience, rebellion and judgment. What camp are you in. Is your golden calf your idolatry to your laws, customs and traditions which God did not give.
Are you too afraid to ask the God of Israel about Yeshua. Are you afraid He might answer you. Would you rather change the Prophets message and please the shepherds.

First of all a Covenant from God can be broken. God makes promises within a Covenant and knows what is to happen even before He makes it because He knows the future. Ge:3:3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. God made the Covenant with Adam and the promise was life, the penalty for disobedience to the commandment was death which is another promise. God's promise was kept and God's covenant with Adam was broken. Adam and Eve died!
God made the Covenant through Moses and knew what was to happen even before He made it because He knows the future. In fact Israel broke it immediately but Moses prayed for them not to be destroyed therefore grace was shown from God the one staff called Beauty (graciousness). Many times Israel disobeyed God but God's staff of Beauty was used and not all the people were destroyed as He was going to do before Moses prayed for them. The staff of Bands (union) was used even when Israel was carried away and brought back. But when God's Son Jesus was murdered the 2 staves were broken and the Covenant that God made with the Israelites through Moses was broken and replaced with the New Covenant. Israel was scattered amoungst the Gentile nations with no grace and no union. No Shepherd for unbelievers! God still loves Israel and He is going to bring them into the New Covenant, a remnant will be saved. They did not obey God's voice Jesus Christ the Lord and they broke His Covenant!
God's Voice through His Son Yeshua.
THIS IS THE LAW JUDAISM MISSED!
Aaron spoke for Moses at times but Moses was to him instead of God. Ex:4:16:
So there is a double meaning from De:18:15 revealed in the NT in Lu:24:44
Deut:18:15: The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me ; unto him ye shall hearken;

LIKE UNTO ME - as the PROPHET Moses
and
LIKE UNTO ME - GOD John:10:30;Re:22:13

Joh:12:48: He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Joh:12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh:12:50: And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Deut:18:15 in it's fullness was not Joshua but for the present was to be. Joshua had been with God and Moses many years and was given charge of the Israeiltes in Deut:31:23. God had His Final Plan which was foreshadowed.
The Messiah Son of God was to come to Israel "like unto me" is the Lord God.
The Messiah Jesus actnowledged this when He spoke
Lu:24:44: And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses , and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

I could say that about Christians....although I have met many who
"escape and start to think for themselves"...and end up
converting to Judaism.