06-26-2007, 07:08 PM
06-27-2007, 11:29 AM
MarkW Wrote:
NO, THE RABBIS NEVER WERE WRONG! But here is the case…
I did READ Dr. Browns Article, excellent, yes. But when knowing this, and KNOWING the fact that JESUS was a TEACHER, a RABBI & the MASTER - the arguments made by Dr. Brown explains NOTHING AT ALL! Because the argument he is making his ground on has nothing to do with the role JESUS in the Scriptures actually plays and expose. Yes, Jesus is reflecting and is seeing all that what is known and is described in the Scriptures. But the entire basis in his role is his personality: the contents in his life – because he is the basis and ground for the word reflecting the TRUTH. He is a true-teller. His role then, as a saviour and all the other words related to this, is bound to the fact that HE is who KNOWS ALL ABOUT – means; what HE REVEALS is the essentiality of his role. However, this one meaning: HE REVEALS… must have something fast & steady to be hold on, not just by words, need of some kind of solid ground... and this is called the HISTORY! If this to hard to understand, is exactly what the problem all since has been and still exists. It seems to me that absolutely NONE – no matter how educated in whatever babble was choose to learn and study, is able to COMPREHEND correct and from there begin to explain… That’s what the essence is! The matter Jesus is more complicated than easy and simple believers do and try to over-babble others with… The matter Jesus is what CLEARLY MUST BE SEEN – the secrets JESUS REVEALS… It is never possible other way! Because the matter Jesus is not about what most arguments try to overrun with - this kind of meaningless babble the last 2000 years are full of… - but first to understand correct and then to see the reasons for how the oldest traditions of knowledge and wisdom – yes, including sophisticated philosophical ideas of thinking and solutions – and learned people behind, Jews & Jews & others by ideas related – brothers of faith - got hurt and started to bleed and soon, year after year by the tyrants slaughtering them, faced closer and closer their incoming final destinations…
Dr Brown’s article, yes, he writes well, but behind the point! Once again the last remain; the explanations not even close to the goal in what it all is about. What NT and all scriptures in reference to the name Jesus refers to, is not at all about what so far has been with a lot of bubbling suggested by almost anyone, including theologians and other water-swimming-lovers – and whatever believers among all those who without comprehending the essence of truth believes in nothing of historical solid truth, never see what truthful enough is, but build their lives relaying on amazingly fantastic views…
Peter, Caiphas, the rock (the ground where the faith for … (!) was establish) – the CASE for those who if really are something, if own needed knowledge, if not bubble but comprehend- those should try to explain this one sophisticated mystery-basement! Because what so far and until today is known about Peter and his role, isn’t true at all!
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Isaiah 8.14;
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the low. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence; and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Rom 9.32-33;
NO, THE RABBIS NEVER WERE WRONG! To get it straight if those among learned believers who truly think and say they truly understand who Rabbi GAMALIEL really was, besides Paul’s teacher, should know and then be able to explain; as clearly as the picture of light from the sun with firing beams looks... when falls down on a hairy raiment, what is the main SIGN which for everlasting times marks him more than anything else by him…, [b]only then… they & you all will WAKE UP!
Shalom
