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Shalom Mark!

I went to the online video teaching and listened to the question concerning whether or not God speaks to people today.

There are some things that the teacher did not address. He is open to the idea that a prophet could come but since no prophet has confirmed to him that he is a prophet, he does not believe that there are any.

The biggest problem that I see is what the source of the things that we say is. Y'shua said that He does not speak of His own initiative. This is very important. Y'shua did not speak from the flesh. He said that the one who speaks from himself seeks his own glory. So the one that says what he thinks is in fact taking glory to himself. This is the problem with all the Rabbis and teachers that say all different things. They are in effect glorifying themselves at God's expense. More than that, they effectively take God's place.

God's word instructs us to speak His word so that He is glorified. We are told to seek most the gift of prophecy. If not, the things that we say only serve to glorify ourselves instead of God. People will follow us instead of God. This takes away the kingdom that belongs to God and puts it in our hands.

The New Covenant model is one where God directs everything. It went from that quickly to a model where God no longer directs anything!

No wonder Scripture tells us to seek to speak God's word so that He is glorified. Who said that God stopped speaking to people?

Whoever it is speaks of their own initiative because God's word is living and active. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Messiah, convicts every man of sin righteousness and judgment. Anyone who says anything to the contrary speaks contrary to God's word.

We have a choice. Either we speak God's word or we speak from the earth. Speaking from the earth is idolatry. Speaking from the earth is Satanic and demonic. Speaking from the earth glorifies man made of earth. It is the mark of man void of the Spirit of God taking God's place among God's people.

Speaking in the name of God falsely is a very serious thing. Speaking in our own name is not any better. It is the mark of the beast. It is Man taking the initiative himself to speak for God in God's place in the body of Messiah, the Temple of God. It is six spirits of man taking the place of three realms of God without God.

Shalom!

No worries SMP, thnks for your input.

Thank God! I was worried for a minute that you might be playing on the other team.

After all, it seems like a lot of people are still identifying themselves with the Confessions. For a long time, I did too... until after much meditation, I realized that they are false teachings. It's too bad, I feel so sad. It is the foudation of many of our faiths. Most churches require that you believe what they say.

Am I the only one that sees the error in this? I guess most people don't think about it very much.

Shalom!

What do you mean by 'the Confessions', SMP?

The London Confessions such as the Presbyterian - Westminster Confession, the Baptist - Second London Confession and other similar Confessions are almost identical except for parts of them that define the particular denomination whether they sprinkle or immerse etc.. All of them as far as I know say that the Lord no longer "reveals His will" like He used to. It says that in the very first sentence or paragraph depending on which one you read. The Westminster Confession says it all in one breath. I couldn't believe it myself when I read it. The whole first paragraph is one sentence.

Statements like this are extra-Scriptural. They are a "new teaching" not taught in Scripture just like the ones we have been warned by the Apostles about, those who come with "another teaching". We are told not to listen to them.

That being said, so many of us are or have belonged to that kind of a teaching. People often end up believing a double standard or double teaching because it is hard to say that God no longer speaks to people in spite of any teaching to the contrary. God says He convicts every man of sin righteousness and judgment. That is not a work of nature or Creation. It is something that God Himself does by speaking to us.

The right thing to do is to come out and admit that the Confessions are false teachings. God has always revealed His will throughout Scripture because He is the head of His body. He said that His sheep hear His voice and follow Him. He said the voice of a stranger, they will not follow.

These State sponsored Confessions, mind you, also defined our canon. That is somewhat of a non-issue because no one is able to produce any new authentic Gospels or letters of the Apostles that had a direct association with Y'shua. It seems to be an ongoing battle between what texts are the right texts to use but most believers I know do not have issues with the authenticity of the writings of the Apostles.

This teaching of the Confessions has greatly hindered our walk with the Lord. It has distanced us from God. It has robbed us of our faith that we are supposed to have. It is a good thing Samuel was a boy when the Lord spoke to him. He didn't know any doctrine or teaching. Even so, he very soon became acquainted with the Lord even though the word of the Lord was rare and visions were infrequent in those days proving there is nothing new under the sun.

Shalom! Shalom! I hope the best for everyone.

What are your feelings about a born again believer participating in the Baptist church or say the Catholic church or say the charismatic church
SMP?

There are many options such as home fellowship or bible study, or even starting your own church.

According to scripture there are heresies among the true fellowshipping church.

One of my teachers has said, the greatest mission field is unconverted
church membership.

Hi Seekmosttoprophesy;

I was reading this ...and recently I had something that happened...I went to my local church and they have cards.  I filled out my information, and during this they were showing an image of 'jesus' on the overhead projector...so, I wrote on the card, that I was interested in joining the church, and ask for a Pastor to call on me..and I asked in the comment lines...'Do I have to call any image that they pick, "jesus"?

I have yet to hear back from them, on this matter.  And I have been in the Sunday School every week, since...but will not go to the service until I get the answer concerning this.

but when you mentioned that it is a requirement of a lot of faiths that you believe what they believe, and now you may, too, have to add, that you must call an image, whom they say you should call 'jesus'. 'jesus'.  

bye for now,
kimberly