A true Shabbath is of doing service to other people not of your own gain. Why Lord Yashuah intimidates these "experts" of the law on Shabbth? Because we are so meticulous on the physical aspect of it and not the true essence of it which is service and that is our true offering and worship to our Heavenly Father YHWH.

Shalom!

PS Im so tired of these "fence makers" who are just transporting Talmud Doctrine into out freedom in Lord Yashuah. We have been there and never will we turn our back and be a victim again of these self righteous teachers.

I thought I might make my first post here, since biblical chronology is relevant to Jews and Christians alike.   A proper explanation of it will help people understand the factual historicity of the Gospels, and to grasp the prophetic chronology of Daniel 9 builds up one's faith that Yeshua is indeed the Messiah.

1. According to Matthew 12:40, Yeshua was in the grave, "three days and three nights"
2. According to many passages he said he would rise, "On the third day".
3. According to 3 or more passages he said he would rise, "after three days" (Mark 8:31, 9:32, 10:34).
4. Matthew 28:1 states "On the later of the Sabbaths, at the dawning on the first of the Sabbaths"
5. Mark 16:2 says, on "one of the sabbaths".   So also Luke 24:1 and John 20:1.   The same phrase is also found in Acts 20:7 and 1 Cor. 16:2.

What explanation explains these facts?   First, that the crucifixion was on a Wednesday before the annual Passover Shabbat.  Then on Friday after the annual Shabbat, the women prepared the spices, and then on the weekly sabbath at DAWN the women went to the tomb, and found it empty.

Why was the resurrection day called "One of the Sabbaths"?   The reason for this is the instruction in Leviticus 23:15 to count seven Sabbaths after the Passover.    "One of the Sabbaths" was the first of these Sabbaths, which happened to be the weekly sabbath after the Passover.

How may we explain, "on the third day".  The day was reckoned for the purposes of Temple sacrifices from morning to morning.  Lev. 17:15.   Yeshua, our peace offering, was the sacrifice on the "altar" outside the camp, so we can count three days using the Temple day for a sacrifice, namely sunrise Wed to sunrise Thurs makes the 1st day, and sunrise Thurs to sunrise Fri makes the 2nd day, and sunrise Fri to sunrise on the Sabbath makes the third day.  The resurrection of Messiah was just before sunrise on the Sabbath, and therefore "on the third day".

How may we explain "after three days".   In this case, the day is reckoned with sunset, the usual reckoning for a holy day.  When the sun went down on Wed, it was after one day.  When the sun went down on Thur, it was after two days.   When the sun went down on Fri, it was after three days.  The resurrection happened before sunrise on the Sabbath, so then according to the sunset day, it was 'after three days'.   If anyone is interested in how this fits into the overall biblical chronology, then they can read the free online book at:  http://www.torahtimes.org/book/.  Or you can discuss it with me right here.

One little gem I found was in Hosea 6:1. I see it as God raising us up with Christ, because truely we were raised with Christ at his resurrection. I see it as an 'already, not yet' state of existance.

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."


'Come, and let us return unto the LORD; for He hath torn, and He will heal us, He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.  
á  éÀçÇéÌÅðåÌ, îÄéÌÉîÈéÄí; áÌÇéÌåÉí, äÇùÌÑÀìÄéùÑÄé, éÀ÷ÄîÅðåÌ, åÀðÄçÀéÆä ìÀôÈðÈéå.  2 After two days will He revive us, on the third day He will raise us up, that we may live in His presence.  
â  åÀðÅãÀòÈä ðÄøÀãÌÀôÈä, ìÈãÇòÇú àÆú-éÀäåÈä, ëÌÀùÑÇçÇø, ðÈëåÉï îÉöÈàåÉ; åÀéÈáåÉà ëÇâÌÆùÑÆí ìÈðåÌ, ëÌÀîÇìÀ÷åÉùÑ éåÉøÆä àÈøÆõ.  3 And let us know, eagerly strive to know the LORD, His going forth is sure as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter rain that watereth the earth.'  

The Hebrew says 'after two days will he revive us, on the third day He will raise us up'
Friday before sundown-1st day (He was dead around 3pm...probably several hours before sundown.)
Friday at sundown is the Shabbat-2nd day
Any time after sundown on Saturday-3rd day

Jesus could have been resurrected anytime after sundown on Saturday.

Seems logical and valid to me.

Shalom,
Christopher

Hosea 6:1-2 is talking about the unrepentant overconfidence of Israel that the Lord’s discipline of Israel would be relatively short and that he would restore them quickly. (Net Bible)

Daniel007,

Thank you for that good post and welcome to (posting in) the Forum!

Yes, you probably noticed that Hosea 6:1-2 refers to "us".  It refers to holy one's raised in Matthew 27:52, but also to "us" in the end of days, and also to the nation of Israel, which is being raised up.   But the first one among the "us" is Messiah Yeshua.   He was raised on the third day.   After one day would be the second day, and after two days would be the third day.
     But I figure a day the way they figured it for "peace offerings" in the Temple.  For Messiah was our "peace".  According to Levitucus 7:15 a "peace offering" had to be eaten "the same day" it was offered, and the limit of this "same day" is defined "until the morning".   (The Rabbis put a fence around the Torah and cut the limit off at midnight).  My only point is that "days" in the temple were counted from dawn to dawn.
     So here is how I figure.

Dawn Wednesday to Dawn Thursday (First day)
Dawn Thursday to Dawn Friday (Second day) = after one day
Dawn Friday to Dawn on Shabbat (Third day) = after two days

    Yeshua's death goes at 3 p.m. on Wed, the first day, and his resurrection goes on the "first Sabbath" after Passover at dawn, which is still within the limit of the third day.  I explain this more in this article:

http://www.torahtimes.org/SabbathResurre...ection.htm

     Granted you explained  Hosea and the third day validly, but other texts do not fit, like Mark 8:31, 9:31 KJV or Mathew 12:40 and John 20:1.  Then there is the fact that none of the texts say first day of the week.  They all say "first of the Sabbaths" which seems to agree with the counting in Leviticus 23:15, KJV.    Shalom, Daniel.

I won't waste time going into details about all of those mistranslation charges.  Jesus could not have risen on the Sabbath, because the women were working to prepare the anointing spices and came to anoint the body of Jesus with them that day.  Jesus rose as the first-fruits of them that sleep on the Feast of First-fruits, which occurs the first day of the week.

The thing is, this is not a thread about Sunday resurrection, it is about sabbath.

Sabbath IS Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

It has not changed.

Having nothing to do with when Jesus resurrected.

Sabbath is sabbath, the sixth day.

The related question is when should we gather/fellowship?

I think that that should be sabbath as well...but NOT legalistic about it, just dialoging about it...since the day we were born again, EVERY DAY IS SABBATH...we HAVE our rest from legalism. It's NOT about that.

But, I'm sure YoY will be along anytime now and accuse me, once again. UGH.