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Rupa
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Jews for Jesus=Christians?
I have seen your organization in the subways lately & have a question? Aren't Jews for Jesus Christians? If you believe Jesus was the Messiah then what still makes you Jews? I am just curious & didn't see anything on your website that clarified this.
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| 07-28-2006 12:49 PM |
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sugarman
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
Yes they are still Jews. The first Christians were jews. The name of christmian does not chance what you already are irishh Jew etc... It just a name to show you Accpept jesus as messiah. Jesus was a jew and all his first followers were one to. Like I am irish but Ido not believe in pagan idols or celts gods or old folk lore gods etc... from the irish but does that mean i am no longer irish No.
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| 07-28-2006 11:51 PM |
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fallan
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
Sugarman what you say is true but that is about you(a Jew) as belonging to that race.Im Welsh but because I believe that Jesus is the Christ the Word made flesh Im also a follower of Him so Im a Christian who is also Welsh. It seems that Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah wont call themselves Christians as it would rob them of their Jewishness WHY? Im a Christian but it doesnt rob me of my Welshness. Im glad that there are Jews who believe in Jesus but when He called the disciples to follow Him its also a call for ALL who accept Him as the Messiah to do the same.
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| 07-29-2006 02:35 AM |
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Seekmosttoprophesy
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
The confusion is in the definitions (the devil in the definition).
A Jew is a race and it is also a way of life or religious practice. The answer is that Jews need not change their race nor religious practice except to be more observant. Gentiles must convert to the God of Israel in order to become a Christian. Jews already have a tradition of believing in the God of Israel.
Only no body is perfect. Jews and Christians alike stray from the things that they are supposed to teach and follow. Very observant Jews and Christians alike believe that Y'shua/Jesus is the promised Messiah and King of Israel. Remember that it is the Gentiles that have to convert to faith in the provision of God for Israel. A Christian then is a convert to Judaism and not the other way around.
Messiah/Christ is the cornerstone of Judaism. From the time Adam first sinned up until the time the prophets spoke of the coming of Messiah there was the promise of the provision of Messiah. It is like stepping stones. Messiah would crush the serpents head (the serpent that tempted Eve), He is a Jewish Prophet like Moses, like God that we are to listen to, He is the provision of the lamb to be given in the mount of the Lord, He is the Man God or Son of Man, the visible God that we can see and touch (the One Jacob wrestled with), He was cut off because of our sins, He was also raised up again and able to see His spiritual offspring. This is all Judaism. Read Isaiah 53.
To make a long story shorter, Jews do not lose their Jewishness by believing in the Messiah/Christ of Israel. They become more observant Jews. The difference is in the language that is being used. Messiah is a Hebrew word and Christ is a Greek word meaning the same thing. The same goes for Y'shua/Jesus, John/Jochanan, Mary/Miriam, Adonai/Lord etc..
It is a little confusing for people that are unfamiliar with the language of Judaism and Christianity. It is really all the same teaching in another language. I hope that helps.
Shalom!
Remember love, remember shalom, and remember to prophesy.
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| 07-29-2006 04:12 AM |
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Nancy
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
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J4J is a Jewish organization. Jewish ancestory never changes no matter what you believe. The question of whether they are True Christians or not depends on who they worship and follow. If they follow Yeshua and obey G-d, then they would be TRUE Christians; if they follow tammuz and his feast days, then they are pagans who call themselves Christian.
Remember, Ancient Israel was mostly pagan who said they were following Adonai when they were not --- Adonai said they were an abomination --- so just because someone says they are something does not make it true. Mainstream "christianity" is paganism disguised like Christianity just like paganism in Ancient Israel was disguised as following Adonai.
ALL of Yeshua's early followers were Jewish. The Bri't Hadashah is a Jewish book written by Jews and for Jews about the JEWISH Messiah.
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| 07-29-2006 04:54 AM |
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Jack Lavictoire
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
Romans 2:28-29 NIV
A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
You have to ask yourself, does the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) live in me? If you know that He does then rest assured, your blessed!
Ephesians 1:5 NIV
he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will-
He not only predestined Jews, but people of every tribe, language and nations - according to His good pleasure.
Acts 11:26 NIV
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
Peace to the elect of God.
The Gospel of John - The movie!
It's not perfect but it's worth watching.
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| 07-29-2006 02:58 PM |
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Seekmosttoprophesy
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
Nice verses Jack!
Remember love, remember shalom, and remember to prophesy.
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| 08-03-2006 12:53 AM |
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Tanachreader
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
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J4J is a Jewish organization. Jewish ancestory never changes no matter what you believe. The question of whether they are True Christians or not depends on who they worship and follow. If they follow Yeshua and obey G-d, then they would be TRUE Christians; if they follow tammuz and his feast days, then they are pagans who call themselves Christian.
Remember, Ancient Israel was mostly pagan who said they were following Adonai when they were not --- Adonai said they were an abomination --- so just because someone says they are something does not make it true. Mainstream "christianity" is paganism disguised like Christianity just like paganism in Ancient Israel was disguised as following Adonai.
ALL of Yeshua's early followers were Jewish. The Bri't Hadashah is a Jewish book written by Jews and for Jews about the JEWISH Messiah.
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That is nonsense. You are obviously against the work of Yeshua in the Gentile believers. If you want to argue Christianity on a personal basis I'm on!
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| 08-05-2006 01:15 AM |
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lambsev
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
As a "gentile" believer in Yeshua, may I gently point out a few things?
1) All have sinned. Romans 3:23
2) Abraham was a pagan son of Heber whom God chose and appointed to do a bunch of stuff necessary for everyone of us to be saved. Genesis 11:31; 12:1
3) The faithful Jews are to be commended for their faith, and fro their obedience. God loves todays Jews because of them. Romans 10:28
4) Many unfaithful Jews do not need my condemnation, God has very severely judged them throughout history. (too many references to list)
5) It is very dangerous for us to depart from God's word regarding the one new man He is bringing forth into the world. 1 Corinthians 4:6
6) Paul's cautions to Timothy regarding them who seek to be teachers of the law are as valid today as when he wrote them. I Timothy 1:3-10
7) God is love and love casts out fear. 1 John
"Spiritual pride is like flour in the millhouse. It settles into every crack and crevice." (My paraphrase of a quote from George Mueller. I would very much like to have the exact quote, anyone have it?)
Dave aka lambsev
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| 08-05-2006 04:10 AM |
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RomanCatholic87
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RE: Jews for Jesus=Christians?
Jews are not chosen people anymore, it all changed when Jesus got crucified, that's what Jesus means by his vineyard proverb
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| 08-12-2006 12:33 PM |
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