Dear Neotetro and Hope7
God will provide in every thing .
But you are so right to pray for his world and peace for every one .
God is always in comment in all we do and say .

I feel we are close to a great  release of all who are bound to this world of false religion.

Yes every thing works out for the good ,of this i am sure ,
First of all let me say I do not believe in predestiny but men has a free will to follow God .
How ever I do believe God is Almighty and all knowing .
To me this are two different things....
I believe GOD IS IN CONTROL ALWAYS.
This to me is the basic of Eph 1:4 ,even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without blemish before him in love

God did not change his plan because of Satan or because of the Sin men
( Adam and Eve) .

I believe God knows all ,yes from the early begin
BEFORE THE WORLD IS CREATED
This is what I read in the verses in Eph 1:4,5
God did not change his Plan .
He did form FIRST His One Son, this SON would create men and all thing in heaven and on earth Col1:13-20
See I believe many do not understand the complete truth what this means?
If GOD in his plan formed a seed ,the plan of a seed in his Son ...before his Son created heaven and earth .....
only then we can see the full light of the scripture in Eph 1:4.

I believe God did see from the begin what was to come.
How Eve seduced by Satan eat fruit from the tree of good and evil.

Satan his seed would play a big part in Gods Plan,as the Son and his seed would play a big part in Gods plan.(Gen 3:15).
Do read Gen 3:15 once more now compare this verse to Rev 12:1-5,17
What do we see here now ?
Do you see the woman talked about ,do you see here seed ?
Do you see the promised seed in Rev 12:1-5,17 and Eph1:4 ,do you see the woman talked about in Gen 3:15 is not just Eve ?
WHO IS SHE ,READ REV 21:22-27

Now did God knew of all this before it happened ,Yes I think he did .
Remember how Jesus picked Judas to fulfill the scripture ,that all could be fulfilled in the plan of Christ sacrifice .
READ ROM 9:21,
Why do i say so ?
Because this is proof to me the Devil has no Power or control over God,s plan but God himself.
As Jesus from the begin called his disciples one by one by name ,he also knew what Judas was about ,
THAT JUDAS WOULD BETRAY HIM.
I believe this is why Jesus choose Judas.
Jesus knew ! Act 4:28,Luce22:21,22,1Peter11,
God knew Satan coal from the early begin.
God is always one step a head in front of Satan.
God is Almighty,this i can read in Eph1:4
I do feel God is helping to set us free, to see his plan and how we fit in.
I hope this will help ?

We have to follow our one true shepherd that we need to listen to his voice more then to the voice of a stranger.
God was calling us to come out.
We were so happy we decided to leaf this organization,God made our faith grow stronger and stronger every day to put our trust only in him so we could act as we did
To walk at his hand ,the hand of our shepherd ....John 10:28,29
We put our compete trust in him only.
That particular morning it was snowing it was a winter day .
It was snowing as i walked to the mail box to mail my letter.
As I walked i sow every thing has become white around me ....
not a sound just the snow under my feet as i walked on.
It was early that morning as I walked ....
It was a new fresh day ,a good day to start again I thought.
We knew we would lose all our friends who still are inside this organization still.But we decided to leaf them any way .
I was crying ,32 years of my life were inside this letter,32 years we were inside The Watchtower Organization.
To me it felt like divorcing my self from a husband who betrayed me .
I opened the mailbox and prayed as i enter my letter.
"Jehovah please help me ,my whole life is in your hand now .
I give my self to you and you only to help our family to become save in your care,I know you love your sheep for you tooled me in your word .
I believe you will not forsake your sheep , I know you will bring us were we belong,we will put our trust only in you Jehovah.
No longer we put our trust in any men who claim to be appointed by you to become your organization on earth."
The next summer we baptized our self in the name Yeshua , after reading
Rom 6:4-12.
It says this : Or don’t you know that all we who were immersed into Messiah Yeshua were immersed into his death?
We were buried therefore with him through immersion to death, that just like Messiah was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.
For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will also be part of his resurrection; knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be in bondage to sin.
For he who has died has been freed from sin.
But if we died with Messiah, we believe that we will also live with him; knowing that Messiah, being raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no more has dominion over him!
For the death that he died, he died to sin one time; but the life that he lives, he lives to God.
Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Messiah Yeshua our Lord.
Yeshua did free us ,yes we are truly really free in Him.
God is in control of our live now , we died and we resurrect in his blood ,we live by his spirit .
God is in control of our live now and move by his spirit.
We know Yah,shua Messiah is our savior .
YHWH /Jesus is our Saviour Messiah.

We know Yah,shua Messiah is our savior .
Jehovah /Jesus is our Saviour Messiah.
How true is his word.
1John4:4:13 By this we know that we remain in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as the Savior of the world. 4:15 Whoever confesses that Yeshua is the Son of God, God remains in him, and he in God.

We remain IN HIM ,we are in his care now to walk every day in his presence.
We tell about his glory and his power and love about how he cares for his sheep.(John 10:28,29)Heartbeat

We tell about his name,that there is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!”

Act 4:10
Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Yeshua the Messiah of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, in him does this man stand here before you whole. 4:11 He is ‘the stone which was regarded as worthless by you, the builders, which has become the head of the corner.’
4:12 There is salvation in none other, for neither is there any other name under heaven, that is given among men, by which we must be saved!”

1Ti 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we have set our trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

2 Sam22:3 God, my rock, in him I will take refuge;
my shield, and the horn of my salvation,
my high tower, and my refuge.

As we walk on to become more Holy in him we share his love to others
Many ex witness do not like to hear we believe Jehovah /Jesus is our savior,but we can not stop to tell about his power and his love he showed to us
The Father of our Lord will love all who love his Son .Joh14:6,Act4:12.

We walk in the light of his spirit now.1Joh2:26-29
To become One in Yeshua Messiah and through him we are one in the Father of our Lord.
John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that you sent me. 17:22 The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one; 17:23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.

No one can stop his joy inside us ....this fountain of joy inside our heart,
And no one can stop us to tell the world about his love.

So why do we seek God inside religion ?

Yeshua says to the Samaritan woman(and to all of us )this in John 4:21-23,it says :
Yeshua said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father. You worship that which you don’t know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers.
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Our family walk in spirit  now,we do not walk in religion.
God freed us form religion through his Son Yeshua Messiah.
Eph2:4-10
But God, being rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Messiah (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places in Messiah Yeshua, that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Messiah Yeshua; for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 2:9 not of works, that no one would boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.


(1John2:26-28.)

“The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth” (John 1:14). The word translated “dwelt” (skenoo) literally means “to pitch a tent” or “to live in a tabernacle” and unmistakably points back to the OT when God’s glory took up residence in the tent of Moses, the portable tabernacle, and eventually in Solomon’s temple.
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John’s point is that God has now chosen to dwell with his people in a yet more personal way, in the Word who became flesh: in Yeshua! The Word, Yeshua of Nazareth, is the true and ultimate shekinah glory of God, the complete and perfect manifestation of the presence of God among his people. The place of God’s glorious dwelling is the flesh of his Son! The glory which once shined in the tent/tabernacle/temple of old, veiled in the mysterious cloud, was simply a foreglow, a mere anticipatory flicker, if you will, of that exceedingly excelling glory now embodied in the incarnate Word, Yeshua Messiah (Col. 1:19).
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God no longer lives in a tent or tabernacle built by human hands, nor will he ever. God’s glorious manifest presence is not to be found in an ornate temple of marble, gold, and precious stones, but rather in Yeshua. Yeshua is the glory of God in human flesh, the one in whom God has finally and fully pitched his tent.
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The point is that the temple of the Old Covenant was a type or foreshadowing of the glory of Messiah. It was the place where the Law of Moses was preserved, of which Yeshua is now the fulfillment. It was the place of revelation and relationship, where God met and spoke to his people. Now we hear God and see God and meet God in Yeshua. It was the place of sacrifice, where forgiveness of sins was obtained. For that, we now go to Jesus. Israel worshipped and celebrated in the temple in Jerusalem. We now worship in spirit and truth, regardless of geographical locale (cf. John 4:20-26).
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To meet God, to talk with God, to worship God, you no longer come to a building or a tent or a structure made with human hands. You come to Jesus! Yeshua is the Temple of God!
But the story doesn’t end there. We, the church, are the body of Christ and therefore constitute the temple in which God is pleased to dwell. The shekinah of Yahweh now abides permanently and powerfully in us through the Holy Spirit. When Paul describes this in his letter to the Ephesians, he refers to Yeshua Messiah as the cornerstone, “in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit” (Eph. 2:21-22).

How true to read are his words
For as a young man marries a virgin, so your sons shall marry you; and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so your God will rejoice over you. Amen.

Isa 62:1 For Zion’s sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest, until her righteousness go forth as brightness, and her salvation as a lamp that burns. 62:2 The nations shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory, and you shall be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.>(Rev 3:12,Rev 21:22,23)
62:3 You shall also be a crown of beauty in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of your God. >(Rev 3:11)

62:4 You shall no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall your land any more be termed Desolate: but you shall be called Hephzibah, and your land Beulah; for the LORD delights in you, and your land shall be married. 62:5 For as a young man marries a virgin, so your sons shall marry you; and as the bridegroom rejoices over the bride, so your God will rejoice over you. 62:6 I have set watchmen on your walls, Jerusalem; they shall never hold their peace day nor night: you who call on the LORD, take no rest, 62:7 and give him no rest, until he establishes, and until he makes Jerusalem a praise in the earth.
62:8 The LORD has sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength,
    “Surely I will no more give your grain to be food for your enemies; and foreigners shall not drink your new wine, for which you have labored: 62:9 but those who have garnered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and those who have gathered it shall drink it in the courts of my sanctuary.”
62:10 Go through, go through the gates! Prepare the way of the people! Cast up, cast up the highway! Gather out the stones! Lift up a banner for the peoples. 62:11 Behold, the LORD has proclaimed to the end of the earth,
    “Say to the daughter of Zion,
    ‘Behold, your salvation comes.
Behold, his reward is with him,
    and his recompense before him.’”
62:12 They shall call them The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and you shall be called Sought out, A city not forsaken
>Rev 12:10-17

I believe Yah,shua and the Father are One YHWH ,
That YHWH our Saviour is the right arm of the Father who is made flesh and we did see his glory.

And we have put on the Lord Yeshua the Messiah, Rom13:14,Gal3:26-28,Rom6:3-6.

Our own I died the moment we accept him as Jah our Saviour who died for us on the cross , and He did enter inside our heart to give us new live .
Read what Rom 6:3-12 says ,to become baptized in his blood .

To be reborn of the spirit is to give up this world and your body .
No longer we walk in the flesh or think in the flesh ,but in the spirit.
To become ONE in Messiah is to be reborn of the spirit ,to die in the Son and to resurrect in the Son into a new live .
God spirit dwells inside us.
3:16 Don’t you know that you are a temple of God, and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
Such joy hallelujah

I pray that God spirit will fill you all.
Amen.

I am not a spiritual giant or perfect, never would be, but it's only by the grace of God, I'm here today to share my testimony!

I was born in a family whose culture/tradition is based on idol/ancestor worship! It was when I went to Ohio State State University 14 years ago, I had chance to know God and acknowledged Jesus as my Savior in 1997! I had zeal for God at that moment, however, I was in my 1st relationship that spoiled my connection with HIM after I had broke up with the guy! After I became a child of God, my dad was so angry cause he was the one financed my college, he felt I had obligated to him and thank the ancestors for that! As a young Christian, I couldn't deny him, I did for a while by continuing burning incenses to idols for about 2 years, yet deep in my heart I knew it's wrong! Especially, after the broke up with the guy, my dad went to the States and told me I shouldn't go to church anymore My daily schedule was controlled fully by my dad, he dropped me at work, picked me up from work, no where I could go! I was like living in the jail, no one I could contact, but only him! Since we were kids, he used to tell me, my brother and other sisters that we are like vampires, socking all his blood, all the money he made for us! That's just kind of impression I had as his children, we are vampires!

As I look back in these years, I know God had great work for me; only at times, I was weak, I was not strong 10 years ago! It reminds me the Scriptures say in Exodus 4, when Moses was called by God to liberate Israelites out of Egypt, he was hesitated because of some human limitation! It has took me year to know the purpose for what God created me for! Purpose, Purpose, Purpose, how important it’s in our lives!

Who could really understand the Love of God for mankind?!? At times words are limited, yet my life has portrayed in the songs and the little drama below, hope this may create profound understanding!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjZEUj0aHpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSwCOs-uXzU

  your thread on this very much does help
Ive had my own battle with religion I suppose
and Im not even religious

Born again believers ,are to be led by the Holy spirit ,not religion as so many in fact are .

religion can be useful to point the way
but there are so many dangers within religion
who can trust it ?

the sins committed under the very banner of religion alone and under the name of Jesus Christ must grieve the Holy spirit
as surely I believe it does .

Im not certain what it will take for people to realize
the dangers of serving a apostatized church

I just know that the countless millions who are sold out to religion instead of to Jesus Christ will soon realize they are not saved by following the wrong spirit .

the sin of indifference plagues the current modern church age
it has grown so bad
Christians are persecuting other Christians under the banner of Christianity

I just discovered recently
you can loose your rights to inclusion
over practically anything
that tells me most are following
Tyranny instead of Jesus  

Thanks for all your answers ,some did go through hard times
Still God is love so i say to you all :
"May the Lord bless you and keep you; May the Lord make His Face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you; May the Lord lift up His Countenance upon you and give you His Peace."

shalom Anja