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Obama,the Anti-Semite and anti-Christian
11-17-2008, 11:24 AM
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Obama,the Anti-Semite and anti-Christian
Israel National News Report:

Obama Favors 1949 Border
by Maayana Miskin  

11/16/08

United States President-Elect Barack Obama will support the Saudi Initiative for peace between Israel and Arab nations, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday. Obama told Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas, “The Israelis would be crazy not to accept this initiative,” according to the Times.

The initiative calls on Israel to withdraw completely to its 1949 borders in exchange for normalized relations with Arab League countries. It includes a full retreat from the eastern half of Jerusalem, including the Temple Mount, and from the strategic Golan Heights in northern Israel.

The Saudi Plan has won limited support from President Shimon Peres, who says it could be used to launch negotiations. Other senior politicians and defense officials have dismissed the plan, saying it wold compromise Israel's security.

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, the heads of the Kadima and Labor parties, have not ruled out the Saudi Initiative completely. However, neither has expressed willingness to give away the Temple Mount or major Israeli population centers located east of Israel's 1949 borders. Approximately 600,000 Israeli citizens live in the areas, including eastern neighborhoods of Jerusalem, demanded for the PA under the Saudi plan.

The plan also calls on Israel to find a solution for the plight of millions of foreign Arabs who claim descent from those who fled Israel during the War of Independence. They are considered refugees by Arab governments and continually have been denied citizenship in their countries of birth.
...

Abbas: Retreat or War

Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas addressed a letter to PA Arabs on Saturday saying Israel must retreat to its 1949 borders or face war. “The passage of years... will not force us to abandon or surrender a single inch,” of Judea, Samaria or Jerusalem, Abbas said in the letter, which was published by PA media.
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11-17-2008, 04:38 PM
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RE: Obama,the Anti-Semite and anti-Christian
Strange, I read that the Saudi initiative is about the 1967 borders.???

Anyway I hope we keep the Temple mount... :-)
Messianic times are not here jet, and there are allways Arabs and Turks etc. who will want more, even more than the 1948 borders or 1949.
large parts of Fatah came from Libia/Tunis etc. so Hamas might even have more right to the Land, for they are more originall citizens often, but who are this new ''Palestinians'' anyway?: often not Arabs.
So anti-Semite means also against Arabs, but not against Palestinians :razz:

O.K. it's complicated. Gaza was a religious question if it realy is Israel, so it was given first. The West Bank will be more difficult.

I don't see why Obama is specifically anit-Semite or anti Christian because of it. Who knows God's plans exactly. I think it is more helpfull if Messianics study Israeli and Palestinian history better. Come with arguements, why Jordan Took the westbank?, Why are those different kind of citizens suddenly a nation of Palestinians? Why doesn't Egypt have to give back parts of Gaza what they took? All kind of things.


Greetings.
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11-17-2008, 08:11 PM
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RE: Obama,the Anti-Semite and anti-Christian
Since Israel became a state in 1948, I was wondering what the difference was between the 1948 borders and 1949.  This link from knowledgenews illustrates with maps and is helpful to see what happened with borders between 1947(-49) and 1967.  When the The Arab Peace Initiative says "to the June 4, 1967 lines", that is the same as saying "pre-Six Day War (June 5-10, 1967)," which would necessarily mean 1949 borders.

KnowledgeNews - maps of Israel's successive borders

Then of course it is good to see God's definition of Israel's borders.

Wikipedia - map of Israel as indicated in Numbers 34:1-12 and Ezekiel 47:13-20

Numbers 34:1-12

Ezekiel 47:13-20

Hebrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the Author and Finisher of our faith; Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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11-17-2008, 08:11 PM
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Nationalist lawmaker Arieh Eldad said that if the West Bank became a Palestinian state, Hamas militants would end up taking it over as they did Gaza after Israel withdrew from there three years ago.


It's not Obama would who would pay for creating a Palestinian state, he said. "We will pay. Our children will pay."

http://www.newsmax.com/

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11-17-2008, 08:13 PM
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Strange, I read that the Saudi initiative is about the 1967 borders.???

Yetzirah,

That is also what I read.

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11-17-2008, 09:06 PM
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Quote:I think it is more helpfull if Messianics study Israeli and Palestinian history better.

With All Due Respect (WADR) yetzirah, I think it would be helpful if Jews would study Daniel, Zechariah, etc, and the NT book of Revelation (also prophecies of Yeshua in Matthew).

But you are right, there is no Palestinian Nation...they were supposed to go to Transjordan and settle/live, but were rejected. Doesn't matter, God promised the land to Israel, it is Hers...when His hand moves, the whole earth will see and know. Amen!

...believe it, or not.

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. " Is. 1:18
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11-18-2008, 08:22 AM
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Obama admitted as close Ayers' family friend
Ayers: Obama was 'family friend'

New afterword to 2001 book, Ayers describes Barack Obama as 'family friend'


November 13, 2008

BY KARA SPAK and ABON PALLASCH Staff Reporters

In a new afterword to his 2001 book, Bill Ayers, former leader of the 1960s radical group Weather Underground, describes President-elect Barack Obama as a “family friend” ....

Ayers, a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, adds few new details about his relationship with Obama in the afterword to Fugitive Days: Memoirs of an Anti-War Activist. The book is being reissued this month....
(Chicago Sun-Times)



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Ayers appears on 'GMA' {GoodMorning America - ABC TV}

“We had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I’d made a small donation to his earliest political campaign,” he writes.

...

At a presidential debate, Obama described Ayers as engaging in “despicable acts with a radical domestic group,’’ adding that he “roundly condemned those acts."

He has also said that Ayers is “not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis.”

The Weather Underground claimed responsibility for about a dozen bombings in the late 1960s, with targets including the Pentagon and Capitol. The group¹s casualties included three of its own members killed while making a bomb in New York City in 1970. In 1981, two police officers and a security guard were killed when other members of the group committed an armed robbery.

Ayers defends his role in the group.

“I [personally] killed no one, and I harmed no one, and I didn’t regret for a minute resisting the murderous assault on [Vietnam] with every ounce of my being,” Ayers writes.

He denies a quote attributed to him in 2001: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I wish we’d set more bombs. I don’t think we did enough.” The quote was widely republished during the presidential campaign.

Ayers writes, “I never actually said that I ‘set bombs,’ nor that I wished there were ‘more bombs.’ ”

...Ayers wrote the new afterword on July 8, 2008....
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11-18-2008, 11:28 AM
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Obama the Muslim terrorist friend and advocate
From: The Washington Post

Obama Says Gitmo Facility Should Close
By ELIZABETH WHITE The Associated Press
Sunday, June 24, 2007; 8:21 PM

SAN ANTONIO -- Barack Obama told a Texas crowd on Sunday that he wants the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detainee facility closed


And again on

Wednesday, November 12, 2008; Page A01

Guantanamo Closure Called Obama Priority

By Peter Finn Washington Post Staff Writer
     (Staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report)

The Obama administration will launch a review of the classified files of the approximately 250 detainees at Guantanamo Bay immediately after taking office, as part of an intensive effort to close the U.S. prison in Cuba, according to people who advised the campaign on detainee issues.


…the new administration will face hard decisions regarding not just the current Guantanamo Bay detainees but also how it will handle future captures of terrorism suspects….

A campaign advisory group, which has now been disbanded, was sympathetic to a "try or release" system ....

Approximately 100 Yemeni prisoners remain at Guantanamo Bay.

Human rights advocates and some advisers expect the new administration to outlaw torture and enhanced interrogation techniques, detain people seized on the battlefield in Iraq and Afghanistan under the traditional laws of war, and insist on criminal prosecution against terrorism suspects seized elsewhere.

…"There is always a risk of acquittal, and there is a risk some people who are released will return to the battlefield," said one Obama adviser. "There is no risk-free option."



So where will the Obama released terrorists go?  Israeli intelligence says they will make the USA their newest battlefield.  Should we accept a state of preventable violence as what happens in Israel and Iraq by not releasing Gitmo Yemenites and others?

Israeli intelligence has recently released information that al Qaeda’s Yemen base, which has been a reliable barometer for Osama bin Laden’s activities, issued a “Directive to All Fighters in Arabia” on Nov. 9. This directive referenced a major operation in the United States that will “change the political and economic world” and be “far bigger than 9/11.” -- Brigitte Gabriel 11/18/08
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11-18-2008, 03:47 PM
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RE: Obama,the Anti-Semite and anti-Christian
Ripley's

Quote:With All Due Respect (WADR) yetzirah, I think it would be helpful if Jews would study Daniel, Zechariah, etc, and the NT book of Revelation (also prophecies of Yeshua in Matthew).

But you are right, there is no Palestinian Nation...they were supposed to go to Transjordan and settle/live, but were rejected. Doesn't matter, God promised the land to Israel, it is Hers...when His hand moves, the whole earth will see and know. Amen!

Thanks, I think you are right...

But I don't know exactly when that will be, those end times... And inbetween we might have for 1 hour or 100 years another inbetween ''solution'' what will not be the real solution...
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11-19-2008, 01:29 AM
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Muslim-Americans voted for Obama because...

Quote:An Arab Christian woman and Middle East expert says she isn't surprised at a recently released report that Barack Obama received 90-percent support from Muslim-American voters in the recent presidential election.

Here's my view, from the beginning: Obama is not a Muslim, or a Christian, but a secular humanist Marxist who will use whatever alliances he needs to to further the Marxists goals. He makes moral equivalence between Jihadists and America. I think he believes the oft-repeated lie that "religion is responsible for all wars."

Look at his family history closely; one thread running through both sides: Marxism. His Muslim family members in Kenya? Socialist enemies of the state. His "Christian" family roots (grandparents) here? Socialists. His hippie mother? Socialist. His "church" of choice in Chicago? Socialist. His "mentors"? Anti-American Marxists.

I am posting this once more, it is so informative: The Audacity of Socialism Series of 21 articles.

...believe it, or not.

"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. " Is. 1:18
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