Especially to Ripley's, Shabbis Goy, and Faith, pay attention. There is a fine line between being denominationally Messianic Jewish and a Judaizer. Beginning with Mark 7:4-13:

If you can keep Torah, why bother with Christ.  If you can keep enough Torah to please God, then God is unrighteous to judge sin at all.  Galatians is Paul's "fighting epistle" concerning Judaizing.  Judaizing is not a badge of honor, as one poster intimated.  It is a perversion of the gospel, and is no gospel at all.  In other words, it is anathema.

By the way, if I see any more Judaizing and anti-Catholic attacks or sentiments, I'll invite my Jewish Catholic friend to these boards so she can see what some of you have been saying and doing.

The Hebrews kept enough Torah to get them the little parcel of land
called Bethlehem, and then they chose the wrong King.

-cont-

I have posted what IS FORMAL CHURCH HISTORICAL QUOTES about Passover, and sabbath, that are as anti-Semitic as it gets ("Jews who murdered our Lord", "perjerous Jews", "minds given over to insanity", etc.). Those are the facts, Goy, should we just ignore them?

I've shown the many laws that were passed in Rome BEFORE the official Holy Roman Empire, which may have lead to such anti-Semitism in the church. (They made Judaism defacto illegal via anti-circumcision and anti-sabbath keeping laws. NOT CHRISTIANS, pagans did that...the "Christians" did more insult later.) We shouldn't consider that?

I have equally shown with historical church writings that direct disciples of Apostles DID keep the 14th of Nisan, AND SABBATH, and had disagreements with the church leaders in Rome over them. In fact, Polycarp stated that he kept 14th of Nisan because John and ALL the Apostles he had MET did too!! Irrelevant, huh? (What happened? Church unity? Charity? Liberty to keep on in their "traditions" that they were taught by Apostles? NOPE...A BIG FAT NOPE!! They were excommunicated by Rome for the SOLE PURPOSE of removing ALL HINTS OF JUDAISM in this "new church". READ IT FOR YOURSELF, GOY!!)

So, I am simply asking, "Are we, being honest, when KEEPING/PREFERRING A CERTAIN DAY, in all truthfulness, keeping a "tradition of man", knowingly or unknowingly? And does sabbath REALLY no longer apply, or especially not apply to gentile belivers? Are we only to attempt to keep (NOT FOR SALVATION'S SAKE, but for witness sake, and to honor God's Word sake) NINE COMMANDMENTS?

It's an HONEST DEBATE, Goy... .[/b] "Judaiser" is not EDIFYING, OR ENLIGHTENING, ONE IOTA! This IS a discussion board, for crying out loud... or should we all just ignore history and questioable translation, agree with you?

-a little more re: "Catholic-bashing" coming-

-cont-

I have denied the doctrine of Sacred Traditon because the basis of it, Oral Torah, HAS NO BASIS. You want to argue for Talmud now, Goy? I stand on "sola scriptura".

I have defended "tradition" as long as it does not supersede the Word of God... and stated that we are not all an eye or ear, but together make up ONE BODY!! That we don't all have to be the same, but we DO need to be within "scriptural orthodoxy" (contrary to what the Catholic I am debating believes/asserts, and contrary to the formal position of the RCC proper).

I deny that the RCC is the only "true and visable church" because WE TOGETHER ARE THE CHURCH!

I deny the infallibility of the RCC, because we are all still fallible, even Popes and theologians, therefore, so are our denominations... ALL OF THEM! (Do you know one that has it all perfectly "figured out"??) Read what I said, Goy! "But together WE ARE PERFECTION, because we are ONE body of Christ, Who is Perfection."

I deny that the RCC has sole authority via "Apostolic Succession" because 1) Peter was not the head of the church EVEN during his lifetime; Jesus is, and the Holy Spirit is directing us here, not one man, or one denomination, 2) there were other Apostles who established churches in different areas of the world, TOO. They can rightfully make the same claim to Apostolic Succession, 3) If I want Apostolic direction, I need go no futher than scripture. THERE we find what the Apostles taught, thought, did, etc.

Baptistic~

-Baptistic cont-

And then to understand the 14th of Nisan as being ESSENTIAL to the SINGULAR MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IN ALL MANKIND'S HISTORY!! Just as significant as Golgotha!! Just as significant as the virgin birth! Just as significant as the the many other prophecies that attest to our Savior!!

And to only learn in the past few months the REASON for the "change of dates"....not that I didn't ask, I did! But the answer I was given was, "We don't use th same calendar." (Which just isn't the whole truth...and I don't think I was intentionally mislead, I just think that too many gentile believers don't know the history, or cast it aside as "we aren't under the Law, but under grace".) But now I have found that it had NOTHING to do with scripture, or honoring our Lord, but to REMOVE us from the JEWISHNESS of the faith, to make sure that no one associated "us" with Jews!! Simple as that!!

It makes my heart so sad!!! So, I ask the question! I look to scripture. Not as a(nother) means of salvation, but wanting to "walk in the manner to which I have been called"! I have stated that I keep none of the law! I break them, one and all...I NEED His grace daily! That is NOT the point!

From your link Goy: