1.Blood is not the sole means of atonement.

There is atonement through repentance (II Samuel 12:13-14, Jonah 3:10, Lev. 26:40-42, Ezek. 18:21-32, 33:11-16), kindness (Prov. 16:6, Daniel 4:24), prayer (Hos. 14:2-3,I Kings 8:46-50, Daniel 9:19), removal of idolatry (Is. 27:9), punishment (Is. 40:1, Lam. 4:22), death (Is. 22:14), flour offerings (Lev. 5:11-13), money (Ex. 30:15), jewelry (Num. 31:50), and incense (Num. 17:11-12).

2. The Book of Lamentations mourns the destruction of the Temple without once mentioning the loss of atonement and the threat of eternal damnation.

3. Tanach teaches through stories, not just law. There is not one story of how a Biblical hero became right with G-d through a blood sacrifice. So much for the "centrality" of blood in Biblical theology.

4. The Prophets consistently down play blood sacrifice and play up repentance. This is not to deny that G-d commands blood sacrifices or that sacrifices will return with the Third Temple. But is blood THE foundation of G-d's favor? No way. It is clear that repentance ranks higher than blood sacrifice for the Prophets EVEN WHEN BOTH ARE COMMANDED.

5. Michael Brown's claim that the meal offering of a poor man is combined with a blood sacrifice has been exposed as a falsehood (see www.judaismsanswer.com and press here to see). Animal blood is never put on top of the altar, and the animal parts are previously washed before altar placement.

6. There is not one verse in the Hebrew Bible, including Lev. 17:11, that says atonement is limited to blood sacrifice.

Yoma 5a "without the shedding of blood there is no remision of sin {Gamalial}. Coincidental that the temple was destroyed shortly after it was no longer needed. 3 Temples were built on Ha Setiha. The word covenant comes froth the word brit which means "to cut". Israel made an agreement with a God Who changes not. This was done on Sinai and sanctified in blood. Moses had a tabernacle built not because something else would suffice. God reguired blood. At Passover repentance, kindness, and prayer would have your first born 6 feet under. Apply the blood of face the wrath.

Thanks for the buggy ride shmelke but none of those verses mention atonement. Let me help you out with a few
ATONEMENT
eat those things by which ATONEMENT was made Ex 29:33 3722a
a bull as a sin offering for atonement, Ex 29:36 3725
the altar when you make atonement for it, Ex 29:36 3722a
“For seven days you shall make atonement Ex 29:37 3722a
make atonement on its horns once a year; Ex 30:10 3722a
he shall make atonement on it with the Ex 30:10 3722a
with the blood of the sin offering of atonement Ex 30:10 3725
the LORD to make atonement for yourselves. Ex 30:15 3722a
atonement money from the sons of Israel and Ex 30:16 3725
LORD, to make atonement for yourselves.” Ex 30:16 3722a
I can make atonement for your sin.” Ex 32:30 3722a
for him to make atonement on his behalf. Lv 1:4 3722a
the priest shall make atonement for them, Lv 4:20 3722a
atonement for him in regard to his sin, Lv 4:26 3722a
the priest shall make atonement for him, Lv 4:31 3722a
Thus the priest shall make atonement for Lv 4:35 3722a
make atonement on his behalf for his sin. Lv 5:6 3722a
So the priest shall make atonement on his Lv 5:10 3722a
‘So the priest shall make atonement for Lv 5:13 3722a
The priest shall then make atonement for Lv 5:16 3722a
So the priest shall make atonement for him Lv 5:18 3722a
make atonement for him before the LORD, Lv 6:7 3722a
into the tent of meeting to make atonement Lv 6:30 3722a
who makes atonement with it shall have it. Lv 7:7 3722a
consecrated it, to make atonement for it. Lv 8:15 3722a
day, to make atonement on your behalf. Lv 8:34 3722a
that you may make atonement for yourself Lv 9:7 3722a
that you may make atonement for them, Lv 9:7 3722a
make atonement for them before the LORD. Lv 10:17 3722a
the LORD and make atonement for her, Lv 12:7 3722a
the priest shall make atonement for her, Lv 12:8 3722a
atonement on his behalf before the LORD. Lv 14:18 3722a
next offer the sin offering and make atonement Lv 14:19 3722a
the priest shall make atonement for him, Lv 14:20 3722a
a wave offering to make atonement for him, Lv 14:21 3722a
atonement on his behalf before the LORD. Lv 14:29 3722a
So the priest shall make atonement before Lv 14:31 3722a
So he shall make atonement for the house, Lv 14:53 3722a
So the priest shall make atonement on his Lv 15:15 3722a
So the priest shall make atonement on her Lv 15:30 3722a
that he may make atonement for himself and Lv 16:6 3722a
the LORD, to make atonement upon it, Lv 16:10 3722a
and make atonement for himself and for his Lv 16:11 3722a
shall make atonement for the holy place, Lv 16:16 3722a
in to make atonement in the holy place, Lv 16:17 3722a
that he may make atonement for himself and Lv 16:17 3722a
before the LORD and make atonement for it, Lv 16:18 3722a
and make atonement for himself and for the Lv 16:24 3722a
in to make atonement in the holy place, Lv 16:27 3722a
for it is on this day that atonement shall Lv 16:30 3722a
in his father’s place shall make atonement: Lv 16:32 3722a
and make atonement for the holy sanctuary, Lv 16:33 3722a
and he shall make atonement for the tent Lv 16:33 3722a
He shall also make atonement for the Lv 16:33 3722a
to make atonement for the sons of Israel Lv 16:34 3722a
altar to make atonement for your souls; Lv 17:11 3722a
reason of the life that makes atonement.’ Lv 17:11 3722a
‘The priest shall also make atonement for Lv 19:22 3722a
seventh month is the day of atonement; Lv 23:27 3725
same day, for it is a day of atonement, Lv 23:28 3725
to make atonement on your behalf before Lv 23:28 3722a
on the day of atonement you shall sound a Lv 25:9 3725
the priest, besides the ram of atonement, Nu 5:8 3725
by which atonement is made for him. Nu 5:8 3722a
and make atonement for him concerning his Nu 6:11 3722a
LORD, to make atonement for the Levites. Nu 8:12 3722a
and to make atonement on behalf of the Nu 8:19 3722a
made atonement for them to cleanse them. Nu 8:21 3722a
‘Then the priest shall make atonement for Nu 15:25 3722a
‘The priest shall make atonement Nu 15:28 3722a
making atonement for him that he may be Nu 15:28 3722a
congregation and make atonement for them, Nu 16:46 3722a
incense and made atonement for the people. Nu 16:47 3722a
made atonement for the sons of Israel.’ ” Nu 25:13 3722a
a sin offering to make atonement for you. Nu 28:22 3722a
one male goat to make atonement for you. Nu 28:30 3722a
a sin offering, to make atonement for you, Nu 29:5 3722a
besides the sin offering of atonement and Nu 29:11 3725
atonement for ourselves before the LORD.” Nu 31:50 3722a
And how can I make atonement that you may 2Sa 21:3 3722a
place, and to make atonement for Israel, 1Ch 6:49 3722a
offerings to make atonement for Israel, Ne 10:33 3722a
cleanse it and make atonement for it. Ezk 43:20 3722a
atonement for the altar and purify it; Ezk 43:26 3722a
offerings, to make atonement for them,” Ezk 45:15 3722a
make atonement for the house of Israel.” Ezk 45:17 3722a
so you shall make atonement for the house. Ezk 45:20 3722a
of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, Da 9:24 3722a
ATONING
he finishes ATONING for the holy place and Lv 16:20

GoyofY'shua,

1. You seem to be avoiding my point about examples of bloodless atonement by discussing Jesus.

2. The first Temple was destroyed centuries before 70 and that First Temple is the subject of Lamentations.  Have you ever read this Biblical book?

3. The Passover Offering is not a sin-offering. Unlike the sin-offering or the guilt-offering, no confession or antecedent sin is associated with it in the Biblical text.

4. Your statement about Jesus ignores my point entirely.  Try to stay on topic.

5.  The Lord's Supper is not part of the Hebrew Bible.  Can you defend your position from the Hebrew Bible?

6.  Romans 3, 9-11 is not part of the Hebrew Bible.  i said there is no such verse IN THE HEBREW BIBLE.  Please pay attention to my words.

Joshua, it is simply incorrect that none of the verses I cited mention the word atonement. Check the sources again. Also, your listing of verses related to blood sacrifice is pointless.  I am aware of atonement through blood sacrifice, but point out that blood is not the only source of atonement.

Ok Shm lets take it one at a time.
Jonah 3:10 When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it.
Where does it say that their sin was atoned for?
Or does the verse state that God relented on destroying the city. Never does this state that their sins were atoned for. Your argument here is from silence. It presuposes that God has forgiven the nations and absolved them from the day of judgement.
Again in Leviticus:

Lev 26: 40 ‘If they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their forefathers, in their unfaithfulness which they committed against Me, and also in their acting with hostility against Me—
41 I also was acting with hostility against them, to bring them into the land of their enemies—or if their uncircumcised heart becomes humbled so that they then make amends for their iniquity,
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and I will remember also My covenant with Isaac, and My covenant with Abraham as well, and I will remember the land.
What was the covenant? Was it a quarenteen atonement {unilateral}. On the contrary "I will remember your land!" No atonement mentioned.

Now look at Gods method:
Lev 7:11 ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’ {Hebrew bible}

Ex 30:10 “Aaron shall make atonement on its horns once a year; he shall make atonement on it with the blood of the sin offering of atonement once a year throughout your generations. It is most holy to the Lord.”
The burden of proof is on you to back up your assumptions, Now lets see hebrew scripture that says that "atonement" is made outside od Gods prescribed method.

1.Lev. 17;11 does not say what you want it to say.  It says blood is the part of the animal that atones.  It does not say there is no atonement outside the animal.  You are ignoring the context of the verse, which speaks of eating, not sacrifices.  The point is that we do not eat the blood b/c it has an atoning function rather than an eating function.

2. Some of the verses I quote do the say the word atonement.  keep loooking.

3. It is silly and hyperliteral to ask why JBook of Jonah does not use the word atonement.  If their sin remains unatoned, why are they forgiven, and what is the point of the story?

Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Iamadoorknob,

what am I supposed to say to you?  I made 6 arguments and you did not respond to any of them.  Can you?

Does Smelke calls the Tenach a story, a myth, a lie?

3. Tanach teaches through stories, not just law. There is not one story of how a Biblical hero became right with G-d through a blood sacrifice. So much for the "centrality" of blood in Biblical theology.


Wow!  Try Moses on his way to Egypt, and the Angel of the L-RD stands in his way to kill him.  His wife takes a sharp stone and circumcises her son on the spot, and cries out, "A bloody husband thou art unto me!"  

Think you can find that one?  And as for all those temple Sacrifices spilling blood through the Chronicles, Kings, the various prophets and stuff.  Don't believe it?  Heck, how can you dare call yourself jewish?  Either believe the Tenach or call yourself an anti-G-D theoi, and skid-daddle on to babble-on elsewhere.  Thanks.