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A gentile and the Sabbath
#1
Heart 
I wanted to Share that as a Christian I kept Sunday as the Sabbath for Years I never knew about the actual true Sabbath being the seventh day of the week. Well through a series of events God brought me out of the Sunday Church I was in and put me in a Seveth day Bible Church (NOt Adventist)
Well for the first three Sabbaths I went there and I had great blessings to come upon on me. Well I thought to myself this was a coincedence?
So I stopped for a couple of weeks and tbe Blessings stopped. I went back to keeping the Sabbath again and much to my surprise the Blessings came back.Which I very much needed I was going through stage 4 MultiMyloma which is very painfull and I had no insurance and could not work I needed all of God and I recieved all of Him it has been awesome. So anyway my Pastor ask for the people at our Sabbath keeping church to testify as to What had brought them to keeping the Sabbath and much to my SURPRISE most of them had done as I had and tried the Sabbath out of coureosity and Devine Guidence. So that is when I decided to look again at the Scripture to see what it says about the Sabbath with out any input from mens teachings?
That is whrn I put together this study I call WHY I KEEP THE SABBATH .
Email me and I will send it to you if you are interested
Shalom
#2
(09-20-2006, 01:03 PM)Alex Wrote: I wanted to Share that as a Christian I kept Sunday as the Sabbath for Years I never knew about the actual true Sabbath being the seventh day of the week. Well through a series of events God brought me out of the Sunday Church I was in and put me in a Seveth day Bible Church (NOt Adventist)
Well for the first three Sabbaths I went there and I had great blessings to come upon on me. Well I thought to myself this was a coincedence?
So I stopped for a couple of weeks and tbe Blessings stopped. I went back to keeping the Sabbath again and much to my surprise the Blessings came back.Which I very much needed I was going through stage 4 MultiMyloma which is very painfull and I had no insurance and could not work I needed all of God and I recieved all of Him it has been awesome. So anyway my Pastor ask for the people at our Sabbath keeping church to testify as to What had brought them to keeping the Sabbath and much to my SURPRISE most of them had done as I had and tried the Sabbath out of coureosity and Devine Guidence. So that is when I decided to look again at the Scripture to see what it says about the Sabbath with out any input from mens teachings?
That is whrn I put together this study I call WHY I KEEP THE SABBATH .
Email me and I will send it to you if you are interested
Shalom

The Sabbath is a wonderful gift from our Creator, and comes right from Genesis 2, the seventh day of the Creation week...thank you for your testimony...God will heap blessings on those who are loyal to His word now and in the hereafter....the Sabbath day is a wonderful blessing 24 hours each week...with it we do not need all the artificial man made traditions of easter, dec 25th etc these are dung to God..We have his blessed seventh day Sabbath..God bless you!
#3
From http://carm.org/questions/about-doctrine...d-saturday

In the Old Testament, God stated,

"Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you," (Exodus 20:8-10, NASB).

It was the custom of the Jews to come together on the Sabbath, which is Saturday, cease work, and worship God. Jesus went to the synagogue on Saturday to teach (Matt. 12:9, John 18:20) as did the apostle Paul (Acts 17:2; 18:4; ). So, if in the Old Testament we are commanded to keep the Sabbath and in the New Testament we see Jews, Jesus, and the apostles doing the same thing, then why do we worship on Sunday?

First of all, of the 10 commandments listed in Exodus 20:1-17, only 9 of them were reinstituted in the New Testament: (six in Matt. 19:18, murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, honor parents, and worshiping God; Rom. 13:9, coveting. Worshiping God properly covers the first three commandments) The one that was not reaffirmed was the one about the Sabbath. Instead, Jesus said that He is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8).

Upon the completion of Creation God rested... on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, a time to focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.

The Old Testament system of Law required keeping the Sabbath as part of the overall moral, legal, and sacrificial system by which the Jewish people satisfied God’s requirements for behavior, government, and forgiveness of sins. The Sabbath was part of the Law in that sense. In order to "remain" in favor with God, you had to also keep the Sabbath. If it was not kept, then the person was in sin and would often be punished (Ezekiel 18:4; Rom. 6:23; Deut. 13:1-9; Num. 35:31; Lev. 20:2, etc.).

But with Jesus’ atonement, we are no longer required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. We are not under obligation, by Law, to keep it and this goes for the Sabbath as well. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law. But, we are not.

Evidence of the Change of Days can be Seen in the NT

The New Testament has ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

•Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

The entire section of Rom. 14:1-12 is worth careful study. Nevertheless, the instructions here are that individuals must be convinced in their own minds about which day they observe for the Lord. If the seventh day Sabbath were a requirement, then the choice would not be man's, but God’s.

•Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Notice here that time sequence mentioned. A festival is yearly. A new moon is monthly. A Sabbath is weekly. No one is to judge in regard to this. The Sabbath is defined as a shadow, the reality is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.

Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

The first day of the week is Sunday and this is the day the people gathered. This passage can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread (communion) and a message (preaching). Additionally, Luke did not use the Jewish system of counting days: sundown to sundown. He used the Roman system: midnight to midnight. This is a subtle point that shows the Jewish Sabbath system was not the one utilized by Luke.

1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Notice here that Paul is directing the churches to meet on the first day of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday. Is this an official worship day set up by the church? You decide.

•Rev. 1:10-11, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, 11 saying, "Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea."

The New Bible Dictionary says regarding the term, ‘The Lord’s Day’ in Revelation 1:10: "This is the first extant occurrence in Christian literature of τῇ κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ, "ta kuriaka hamera". The adjectival construction suggests that it was a formal designation of the church’s worship day. As such it certainly appears early in the 2nd century (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, 1. 67).

In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.

I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 6:14).

--from the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
#4
As God's Commandments are written by God himself on tablet of stone..all ten of them, where do you get the authority to say only nine came forward?? Why did Jesus keep the seventh day Sabbath? Why did the Apostles keep the Sabbath throughout their lives and their ministries many years after Jesus? Acts 12-19? They met and taught on the Sabbath day with Jews and Gentiles...you mention Acts 20.7..it was after the Sabbath, they "broke bread" which meant they had a meal, and Paul took the time talk to them....big deal...no change there.Colossians 2 16,17 let "no man judge you"..if you look ...Paul was preaching to gentiles who were previously pagan worshippers..their previous associates were ridiculing them for following their new found faith..Paul says do not let them judge you..FOR IT IS A SIGN OF THINGS TO COME...as it was written 30 or so years after Jesus..it means His second coming...1st Cor 16...they gathered together goods and money for the relief effort for the needy Christians...it was done on the first day of the week, so they would not desecrate the Sabbath...the Seventh day Sabbath was and is to be kept Holy as God's fourth Commandment wihich will be in effect forever.
Rev. 1.10 "John was in the spirit on the Lord's day"...how do you get sunday or the first day of the week out of that???..You are obviously intentionally trying to be misleading...Jesus said that He is lord of the Sabbath...Matthew 12, Luke 6, Mark 2...

You should know you can worship any day of the week you want, as long as you "Remember to keep the Sabbath Holy"...that is part of God's law, and He is not about to change it for you or any other of the followers of pagan rome...Mal 2 "I am God I change not".....
#5
Your Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry does appears to have a credibility deficiency in it's interpretations of scripture...check my replies to your other posts negating their erroneous misrepresentations.....I will re-iterate one here..you say Rev 1.10 John was in the spirit on the Lords day"..you and your Apologetics says its sunday...1st day of the week...Jesus says in Matthew, Mark, Luke in three Gospels that He is Lord of the SABBATH which is the seventh day of the week right from Creation...how about speaking truthfully and factually when dealing with the word of God, and do not rely so much on man made traditions and instructions..ie papal decrees from pagan Rome...
#6
(10-22-2012, 05:17 PM)John 14.6 Wrote: As God's Commandments are written by God himself on tablet of stone..all ten of them, where do you get the authority to say only nine came forward??

We don't get authority, rather we defer to Apostle Paul and the authority given to him by God. Romans 14, tells us that the Sabbath is not strictly enforced.

(10-22-2012, 05:17 PM)John 14.6 Wrote: Why did Jesus keep the seventh day Sabbath? Why did the Apostles keep the Sabbath throughout their lives and their ministries many years after Jesus? Acts 12-19?

Because they trace back to Abraham and Sarah.

Have you ever read though, where Apostle Paul admitted Apostle Peter lived as the Gentiles? It isn't told to what degree, but it doesn't matter. If Apostle Peter lived as the Gentiles this goes to show the level of grace we're given under the law of liberty.
#7
Paul, an apostle--not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead--




Gal 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,


Gal 1:4 who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,


Gal 1:5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.


Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel--


Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.


Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.


Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant [fn] of Christ.


Gal 1:11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. [fn]


Gal 1:12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.


Gal 1:13 For you have heard of my former life in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God violently and tried to destroy it.


Gal 1:14 And I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous was I for the traditions of my fathers.


Gal 1:15 But when he who had set me apart before I was born, [fn] and who called me by his grace,


Gal 1:16 was pleased to reveal his Son to [fn] me, in order that I might preach him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately consult with anyone; [fn]


Gal 1:17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me, but I went away into Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.


Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas and remained with him fifteen days.


Gal 1:19 But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother.


Gal 1:20 (In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!)




Gal 1:23 They only were hearing it said, "He who used to persecute us is now preaching the faith he once tried to destroy."


Gal 1:24 And they glorified God because of me.
#8
"These are the appointed feasts of the LORD, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them.


Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, [fn] is the LORD's Passover.


Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.


Lev 23:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.


Lev 23:8 But you shall present a food offering to the LORD for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work."


Lev 23:9 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,


Lev 23:10 "Speak to the people of Israel and say to them, When you come into the land that I give you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest to the priest,


Lev 23:11 and he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, so that you may be accepted. On the day after the Sabbath the priest shall wave it.


Lev 23:12 And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the LORD.


Lev 23:13 And the grain offering with it shall be two tenths of an ephah [fn] of fine flour mixed with oil, a food offering to the LORD with a pleasing aroma, and the drink offering with it shall be of wine, a fourth of a hin. [fn]


Lev 23:14 And you shall eat neither bread nor grain parched or fresh until this same day, until you have brought the offering of your God: it is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.


Lev 23:15 "You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering.


Lev 23:16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath. Then you shall present a grain offering of new grain to the LORD.


Lev 23:17 You shall bring from your dwelling places two loaves of bread to be waved, made of two tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour, and they shall be baked with leaven, as firstfruits to the LORD.


Lev 23:18 And you shall present with the bread seven lambs a year old without blemish, and one bull from the herd and two rams. They shall be a burnt offering to the LORD, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, a food offering with a pleasing aroma to the LORD.


Lev 23:19 And you shall offer one male goat for a sin offering, and two male lambs a year old as a sacrifice of peace offerings
#9
I sent all of THAT to say this.I never really had an answer to the reasom for Sunday worship,except I knew Jesus died to save my soul from hell and that the ordinances held against us were put aside.In Lev:23 Moses clearly wrote the day after the sabbath several times.Jesus said he was Lord of the sabbath and that it was made for men and not vice versa.Paul clearly said one man thinks one days is special,another thinks all days are alike.The Holy Spirit lives in me and my body is the temple of it.I worship every day..and if I dont I know the difference.The law was a foreshadow and our tutor until after the real came after Jesus died for us.Does this mean we shoud sin? GOD forbid! GOd is not mocked.Study more Paul.Thanks
#10
As Jeffrey Seif said to us in Israel a couple of years ago:"Two jews,three opinions" Little wonder there is so much confusion...besides al the Devil has done to confuse the issue with the wars and splits and genocides and false teachers Jesus clearly warned us about.I think Moses and Paul who both spent time in arabia knew what they were saying and I wish HE was here to help us with this thing ,as I dont consider myself a teacher according to the book of James . Grace peace hope and love to all. GMSad


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