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"Messsianc" Prophecy Standards
#1
Shalom!

This question is open to all, Jew and Christian.

There is a lot of disagreement between Jews and Christians on "messianic" prophecies throughout the Tanach.  Sometimes if they have been fulfilled, sometimes if they are even "messianic" at all.  My concern is with the later.

What is your standard to if a prophecy is "messianic"?

After you explain what your standard is, then please explain why that is your standard.

Thank you.
#2
Torah Wrote:Shalom!

This question is open to all, Jew and Christian.

There is a lot of disagreement between Jews and Christians on "messianic" prophecies throughout the Tanach.  Sometimes if they have been fulfilled, sometimes if they are even "messianic" at all.  My concern is with the later.

What is your standard to if a prophecy is "messianic"?

After you explain what your standard is, then please explain why that is your standard.

Thank you.

Ok, lets start with one of the prophecies....


Jer. 23:5-6...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim. 3:16

Jeremiah 23:5-6 and 1 Timothy 3:16

It is in these verses God is speaking and proclaiming a BRANCH would come from the blood like of King David/Judah. He will be a king as it states it. This man's name is THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. God has proclaim this!!!! Three points from this verse....1) Branch of David or from the bloodline of Judah This is a man, as God proclaims. 2) Will be a King. In the NT there are verse that state Jesus is the King of the Jews. 3)This Branch/Man/King/Jew's name is THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. This name belongs to YHWH. If this man has the same name as YHWH has then they are one in the same. The Father and the son Jesus Christ. If you connect the dots then you will find out what God is telling you in Judaism at this moment. God would say something like this..... " This man is ME; GOD Jehova. In Isaiah 43:10 "My Servant" is me......Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12 is the suffering servant.......The suffering servant is "My servant" in Isaiah 52:13....Guess who is 'My Servant'?.....He is 'ME' as I stated in Isaiah 43:10 'I am He'....I will be your God in flesh." In the Hebrew Lexicon the phrase for THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS is Yhovah tsidqenuw (ye-ho-vaw' tsid-kay'-noo)
#3
Jadin Xquire,

I appreciate your reply but it didn't address what I was looking for, namely:

Quote:What is your standard to if a prophecy is "messianic"?

After you explain what your standard is, then please explain why that is your standard.

Thank you.
#4
Jadin Xquire Wrote:Ok, lets start with one of the prophecies....


Jer. 23:5-6...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim. 3:16

That's funny because the Hebrew bible says in several places that G-d is not a man.

#5
Torah Wrote:Jadin Xquire,

I appreciate your reply but it didn't address what I was looking for, namely:

Quote:What is your standard to if a prophecy is "messianic"?

After you explain what your standard is, then please explain why that is your standard.

Thank you.

Well there are 300+ prophecies of the Messiah in the Tanakh. The summary of all is the standard.
#6
searchinmyroots Wrote:
Jadin Xquire Wrote:Ok, lets start with one of the prophecies....


Jer. 23:5-6...The Messiah would be both God and Man... 1 Tim. 3:16

That's funny because the Hebrew bible says in several places that G-d is not a man.

Ya when God wasn't man yet. Do realize the scriptures when it states that God isn't a man, The Messiah wasn't in "Flesh" at the time. When the Messiah was in the Flesh then he became a man.

Question for you: Why is that this scripture describes to be man? He is suppose to be coming into the tribe of Judah, right? If your answer is yes then the Messiah is a man. He is suppose to be a King as it states it. Last part is the name....Yhovah tsidqenuw (ye-ho-vaw' tsid-kay'-noo). This man is suppose to have the name of Jehovah's.
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Here's another prophecy....

Isaiah 43:10 (Amplified Bible)

10You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know Me, believe Me and remain steadfast to Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me.

The Lord himself is say he will be the "My servant". He identifies this when he said "understand that I am He".

So how does this connect with Jesus Christ?


Philippians 2:6-7 (New International Version)


6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
      did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
      taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
      being made in human likeness.

Answer: Jesus is the "My Servant" mentioned in Isaiah 43:10.
#7
Jadin Xquire Wrote:Well there are 300+ prophecies of the Messiah in the Tanakh. The summary of all is the standard.

Summary of all is the standard?  Please clarify.  

#8
Torah Wrote:
Jadin Xquire Wrote:Well there are 300+ prophecies of the Messiah in the Tanakh. The summary of all is the standard.

Summary of all is the standard?  Please clarify.  

http://bibleprobe.com/300great.htm

This is the standard....Now please analyze the site and tell me what you think. Tell me what you agree and disagree from the site and we will start from there...Thank you.
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Gen. 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Heb. 2:14, 1 Jn. 3:18
Gen. 9:26,27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Lu. 3:36
Gen. 12:3...As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations...Acts. 3:25,26
Gen. 12:7...The Promise made to Abraham's Seed...Gal. 3:16
Gen. 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek...Heb. 6:20
Gen. 14:18........A King also........Heb. 7:2
Gen. 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Mt. 26:26-29
Gen. 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Rom. 9:7
Gen. 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...Jn. 1:29
Gen. 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Gal. 3:16
Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer..Heb.11:18
Gen. 49:10...The time of His coming...Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
Gen. 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Lu. 3:33
Gen. 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......Jn. 17:3
Gen. 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...Jn. 11:47-52
Gen. 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...Jn. 10:16
Ex. 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......Jn. 4:26
Ex. 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19
Ex. 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath...Rom. 5:8
Ex. 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Cor. 5;7
Ex. 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...Jn. 19:31-36
Ex. 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56
Ex. 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
Ex. 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Cor. 10;4
Ex. 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Lu. 1:72
Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14; Acts 6:7
Lev.16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Heb. 9:7-14
Lev.16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
Lev.17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45
Lev.17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 Jn. 3:14-18
Lev.23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..Jn. 19:31-36
Num. 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36
Num. 21:9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...Jn. 3:14-18
Num. 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Gal. 4:4
Deut. 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...Jn. 6:14
Deut. 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me."...Jn. 5:45-47
Deut. 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...Jn. 8:28, 29
Deut. 18:19...Whoever will not hear must bear his sin...Jn. 12:15,
Deut. 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Gal. 3:10-13
Ruth 4:4-9...Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us...Eph. 1:3-7
1 Sam. 2:10...Shall be an anointed King to the Lord...Mt. 28:18; Jn. 12:15
2 Sam. 7:12...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1
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2 Sam. 7:14a...The Son of God... Lu. 1:32
2 Sam. 7:16...David's house established forever...Lu. 3:31; Rev. 22:16
2 Ki. 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Lu. 24:51
1 Chr. 17:11...David's Seed...Mt. 1:1; 9:27
1 Chr. 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Lu. 1:32, 33
1 Chr. 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Heb. 1:5
Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...Jn. 5:24-29
Psa. 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28
Psa. 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36
Ps. 2:6...His Character-Holiness...Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7
Ps. 2:6...To own the title King...Mt. 2:2
Ps. 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Mt. 3;17
Psa. 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts 13:29-33
Psa. 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...Jn. 20:31
Psa. 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Mt. 21:16


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