And how many Jews know their tribe!

[Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom]

MessianicJew Wrote:

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:So the prohibition on the daughters of Zelophehad only applied to the generation that was in the desert before entering the Land of Israel. It never applied after that.

That would be interesting, how do you know?

The verses refer to the "inheritance" of the Land of Israel. That consisted of the parcelling out of the Land among the Tribes (see the Book of Joshua). Once that had happened, intermarriage had no effect on that tribal inheritance.

[MessianicJew]

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:Once that had happened, intermarriage had no effect on that tribal inheritance.

Where is this written?

[Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom]

MessianicJew Wrote:

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:Once that had happened, intermarriage had no effect on that tribal inheritance.

Where is this written?

See chapters 19, 20 and 21 of Judges, and in particular verse 1 of chapter 21. It demonstrates that before that episode the Tribes did intermarry.

[prophet]

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:

MessianicJew Wrote:

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:Once that had happened, intermarriage had no effect on that tribal inheritance.

Where is this written?

See chapters 19, 20 and 21 of Judges, and in particular verse 1 of chapter 21. It demonstrates that before that episode the Tribes did intermarry.

That is true....but where did line  of Jewishness suddenly switch from
patriarchal to matriarchal....since it is the seed that produces ....trees,flowers,chickens and men?

[MessianicJew]

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:It demonstrates that before that episode the Tribes did intermarry.

I don't read anywhere where it demonstrates what you claim and to give you the benefit of the doubt, nor does it demonstrate that Moses said it was OK.

Judges 21:24
At that time the Israelites left that place and went home to their tribes and clans, each to his own inheritance.

This above shows that they still kept their inheritance tribal.

Let's read verbatim, not opinion:

Numbers 36:7
So shall not the inheritance of the children of Israel remove from tribe to tribe: for every one of the children of Israel shall keep himself to the inheritance of the tribe of his fathers.

Joshua 11:23
So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said to Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance to Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war.

Ezekiel 48:29
This is the land which you shall divide by lot to the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, says the Lord GOD.

[Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom]

prophet Wrote:

Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:See chapters 19, 20 and 21 of Judges, and in particular verse 1 of chapter 21. It demonstrates that before that episode the Tribes did intermarry.

That is true....but where did line  of Jewishness suddenly switch from
patriarchal to matriarchal....since it is the seed that produces ....trees,flowers,chickens and men?

What does that have to do with the discussion at hand?

[prophet]

we-ell the tribal names are named after the Sons of Jacob not the daughters ergo
wouldn't the basis for being a Hebrew then be from the male not the female since there is
no tribe of Miriam or Leah or Sarah since if it was from female then the tribes should have been
the tribe of Leah or Sarah since they birhted the nation so to speak?

[Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom]

(08-23-2011, 01:42 PM)prophet Wrote: we-ell the tribal names are named after the Sons of Jacob not the daughters ergo
wouldn't the basis for being a Hebrew then be from the male not the female since there is
no tribe of Miriam or Leah or Sarah since if it was from female then the tribes should have been
the tribe of Leah or Sarah since they birhted the nation so to speak?

Jewishness, for want of a better word, wasn't introduced until the Torah was given on Mount Sinai. From then on status as a Jew depended on the mother and status as to what kind of Jew (Priest, Levite, etc.), and therefore one's tribal status, depended on the father.

[prophet]

well my freind we agree on something....so where on earth did this
idea that to be a true Jew you had to have a Jewish mother come from?

[MessianicJew]

(08-24-2011, 06:48 AM)Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote: Jewishness, for want of a better word, wasn't introduced until the Torah was given on Mount Sinai. From then on status as a Jew depended on the mother and status as to what kind of Jew (Priest, Levite, etc.), and therefore one's tribal status, depended on the father.

Something, first Jews say that to be a Jew is religion, oh unless your mother converts. So then what? If you're an atheist but your Mother who is a gentile converts so now you're a Jew? No.

Second, where is anything of what you said found in the Holy Bible?