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And how many Jews know their tribe!
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You always hear from the Orthodox, "Oh you need a Jewish momma"...Well, unfortunately for them...they need an inheritance from within their tribe too, and blood sacrifices, observances of new moons, and on and on it goes in order to keep the Torah Nehemiah 10:28-39 KJV.

This is one huge reason among many, that I believe Jesus is Messiah, because we're so far gone, that there is no getting back to God without the root of Jesse and rod out of Zion. Without Messiah, we are cut off from God.

And to whom is it that the Gentiles have sought for over 2,000 years?

No other Jew but Jesus Christ!

Numbers 36:6 & 8. Moses said this is what the Lord commanded. That the daughters of Zelophedad were to marry who they wanted but they had to marry within their tribe. Not only was marrying outside of the Jewish blood line prohibited, but  inter-tribal marriage was prohibited as well! How many self-righteous Jews know your tribe? All you Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative etc...

This shows even more how disobedient Israel has been eventually leading to the consequence of the Diaspora, religious Israeli’s to this day are diluted and don't even realize it, they're not Torah compliant.

Numbers 36:3 Says they were worried that if those daughters were married to the sons of the other tribes then they would lose their inheritance. Moses was told by God as a commandment in Numbers 36:6:

6: "This is the word that the Lord has commanded regarding Zelophehad's daughters. Let them marry whomever they please, but they shall marry only to the family of their father's tribe."

There isn't anything there about these women joining the tribe of their husbands, when their husbands had to be in the same tribe as their daughters! Their wives having to be from the same tribe.

Numbers 36:9

9. "And no inheritance will be transferred from one tribe to another tribe, for each person of the tribes of the children of Israel shall remain attached to his own inheritance."

There was no tribal intermarriage allowed. Otherwise the inheritance would move from tribe to tribe.

See Numbers 36:11 & 12

11. Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Noah married their cousins.

12. They married into the families of the sons of Manasseh the son of Joseph, and their inheritance remained with the tribe of their father's family.
#2
MessianicJew Wrote:You always hear from the Orthodox, "Oh you need a Jewish momma"...Well, unfortunately for them...they need an inheritance from within their tribe too, and blood sacrifices, observances of new moons, and on and on it goes in order to keep the Torah Nehemiah 10:28-39 KJV.

Tribal affiliation is something that many people do not know, certainly. But, many do know their tribe. It's silly to make an argument out of this.

As far as blood sacrifices (what's your obsession with blood? It's kinda creepy!), we are under no obligation to sacrifices until we have a Temple. Why don't you decry Daniel for praying three times a day instead of offering sacrifices? He lived in a no-temple period of time, and he didn't offer sacrifices. Was he prophet or a wandering Jew lost without hope? You can't have it both ways.

And regarding the new moon, we observe it every month. You just don't really know Judaism, or you would be aware of that.
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baruch Wrote:Tribal affiliation is something that many people do not know, certainly.

And it is one more way in which they're not truly observant of the commandments.

baruch Wrote:But, many do know their tribe.

Do you know yours? And for those many who do know their tribe, that means both parents have come out of the same tribe?

baruch Wrote:It's silly to make an argument out of this.

That's what I think when I read some Jew thinks Isaiah 53 is actually about Israel.

baruch Wrote:As far as blood sacrifices (what's your obsession with blood? It's kinda creepy!)

As far as blood, I guess you've never taken the time to study Leviticus? How could you ask this question?

You've never read Nehemiah 10:28-39?
C'mon...all without a Temple here people.

It looks like you're the one who wants it both ways. Did the people at the time of Nehemiah holler "Gee, did Daniel sacrifice!" Absolutely not.

baruch Wrote:we are under no obligation to sacrifices until we have a Temple.

Where is this written?

baruch Wrote:Why don't you decry Daniel for praying three times a day instead of offering sacrifices? He lived in a no-temple period of time, and he didn't offer sacrifices. Was he prophet or a wandering Jew lost without hope? You can't have it both ways.

So if it was written that Daniel sacrificed then you would too? Or would you run skip and jump to some other Prophet like you run from the book of Nehemiah and Ezra, like all the other Jews4Judaism on here do?

baruch Wrote:And regarding the new moon, we observe it every month. You just don't really know Judaism, or you would be aware of that.

I would have to know every individual Jews life to know if they ever observed the new moon.

Anyway, you pick out the easy ones: "New moon...check, circumcision...check...Bar/Bat Mitzvah...check...Challah bread...yummy every Shabbat...check...Sukkot, easy build a wooden structure...check, Passover, yummy...check...Trespass? Nah, sacrifice, sacrifice? Blood...icky, that's so Leviticus...."

Yeah, never-mind the Priests and actual Levites in Nehemiah and Ezra who had the fortitude to not only keep Torah but sign a document saying they would enter the curse....nah, never-mind all of that. Isn't that right Baruch?

Have you ever even seen a sacrifice? What will you or have you offered God for your first born son? You won't sacrifice? And exactly what kind of Judaism is it that you're referring to?

Your Judaism is so lukewarm, weak and watered down that if you owned a coffee shop that served beverages that diluted you wouldn't make it a day... so what makes you think your works are enough as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Just because you are a Jew?

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MessianicJew Wrote:Numbers 36:6 & 8. Moses said this is what the Lord commanded. That the daughters of Zelophedad were to marry who they wanted but they had to marry within their tribe.

Not only was marrying outside of the Jewish blood line prohibited, but  inter-tribal marriage was prohibited as well! How many self-righteous Jews know your tribe? All you Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative etc...

This shows even more how disobedient Israel has been eventually leading to the consequence of the Diaspora, religious Israeli’s to this day are diluted and don't even realize it, they're not Torah compliant.

Numbers 36:3 Says they were worried that if those daughters were married to the sons of the other tribes then they would lose their inheritance. Moses was told by God as a commandment in Numbers 36:6:

The "inheritance" referred to was the Land of Israel that was to be divided up among the Tribes after they had conquered the Land. Every 50 years (the Jubilee) the land returned to its original Tribes. So the prohibition on the daughters of Zelophehad only applied to the generation that was in the desert before entering the Land of Israel. It never applied after that.
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Hi Messianic, how are you?

Well nowadays in Judaism we don't have blood-sacrifices either, and some things are different, as it was sometimes allready different. No bloodsacrifice or no Temple etc. didn't mean we were cut off.

Quote:Without Messiah, we are cut off from God.
Where is that written in Tenach? How did this idea start? Do you know, might be interesting.

Gentiles were able to go to The Temple and have contact with The Almighty, so why did the Gentiles waited for a Messiah exactly?


Quote:Not only was marrying outside of the Jewish blood line prohibited, but  inter-tribal marriage was prohibited as well! How many self-righteous Jews know your tribe? All you Orthodox, Reformed, Conservative etc...
Why is this question not raised towards non-self-righteous Jews? I can't answer always for self-righteous Jews, nor for self-righteous gentiles, for often they have their opinion, sometimes baseless, without option to discuss their point of view.

Indeed religious Israeli’s to this day are different and always realize it, they're not Christian-Torah compliant.

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I've always wondered about that..to be a Jew you have to have a Jewish Momma...its not even scriptural.

Abraham was called out and his seed was multiplied and all Jews are of the seed of Abraham.Isaac and Jacob...without the man a woman can't even get pregnant...(even in vitro needs a male component) so where do the Orthodox even get this nonsensical and unbiblical idea?
  All the genealogies list males from Adam right up to Yeshua..only females mentioned are Ruth and the woman that was wife of Urias.

So I would say if your father is Jewish then you are a Jew....If it was the women then Jews killed Jews when they were commanded to slay those that had lain with foreign men/women since the woman would be jewish and her children.  
#7
Rabbi Yisroel ben Avrohom Wrote:So the prohibition on the daughters of Zelophehad only applied to the generation that was in the desert before entering the Land of Israel. It never applied after that.

That would be interesting, how do you know?
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Yetzirah231 Wrote:Hi Messianic, how are you?

I'm doing well, thanks. How about yourself?

Yetzirah231 Wrote:Well nowadays in Judaism we don't have blood-sacrifices either, and some things are different, as it was sometimes allready different. No bloodsacrifice or no Temple etc. didn't mean we were cut off.

Well, why is it nowadays? Look at the former days closer to when there was no Temple. The Levites, Priests and people did keep the blood sacrifices, it is right there in Nehemiah and Ezra.

Yetzirah231 Wrote:Where is that written in Tenach? How did this idea start? Do you know, might be interesting.

Deuteronomy says if you don't keep the law, you're cursed. Yet, you're taught it is OK not to have to keep the law. How is it OK not to have Levites?

Isaiah 53. There is no way that is about Israel. Israel could not accomplish all of that. For example it doesn't make sense, why would Israel need to heal everyone else of the Gentiles or intercede? Yet, there are Jews who say Gentiles only need to keep "7" Noahide laws...C'mon.

Read about who it is that the Gentiles will seek, Messiah. Who have the Gentiles sought for over 2,000 years and counting? Jesus Christ, a Jew.

Yetzirah231 Wrote:Gentiles were able to go to The Temple and have contact with The Almighty, so why did the Gentiles waited for a Messiah exactly?

I would have to look, where is this written?

Yetzirah231 Wrote:Why is this question not raised towards non-self-righteous Jews? I can't answer always for self-righteous Jews, nor for self-righteous gentiles, for often they have their opinion, sometimes baseless, without option to discuss their point of view.

Indeed religious Israeli’s to this day are different and always realize it, they're not Christian-Torah compliant.

This question is not needed for non-self-righteous Jews because in the New Covenant which we believe to be the New Testament, it says we just need to marry another believer in Christ. It is either marry a Gentile or a Jew for us. The Gentiles are grafted in now.

However, if you're a self-righteous Jew, and you're not even marrying within your Tribe, it is yet another mark against you for not being Torah compliant.
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prophet Wrote:I've always wondered about that..to be a Jew you have to have a Jewish Momma...its not even scriptural.

Abraham was called out and his seed was multiplied and all Jews are of the seed of Abraham.Isaac and Jacob...without the man a woman can't even get pregnant...(even in vitro needs a male component) so where do the Orthodox even get this nonsensical and unbiblical idea?
  All the genealogies list males from Adam right up to Yeshua..only females mentioned are Ruth and the woman that was wife of Urias.

So I would say if your father is Jewish then you are a Jew....If it was the women then Jews killed Jews when they were commanded to slay those that had lain with foreign men/women since the woman would be jewish and her children.  

Interesting isn't it? Near hypocritical when reading Deuteronomy.

You asked where the Orthodox get this idea. It is usually Deuteronomy 7:3 KJV

3 Neither shall you make marriages with them; your daughter you shall not give to his son, nor his daughter shall you take to your son.

See the underlined above? They only focus on that part alone. They say I don't have a Gentile mother. But once you focus on the bold portion too, then it is easy to see that they weren't suppose to take Gentile husbands either. So then those Orthodox with a Jewish mother and Gentile Dad are not truly Jewish.

Then they jump to conversion, well unless she converts they say. My thing when studying is that the law was given by a Prophet from God to Israel. And you never read where a Prophet outlines the law for women to convert and then be called a Jew.

So they point to Ruth, but this book does not contain any Prophet confirming any conversion process either.



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