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(11-19-2011, 06:04 PM)Yetzirah231 Wrote: Like that you are posting this, I see this happening indeed the last years a lot. But people should get their knowledge straith. Zionists also have their propaganda, or one way of telling things.
anti-Israel Christians often forget that the state of Israel was agreed upon after WW-I when the Ottoman empire fell apart and they even agreed upon the San Remo documents. Israel was promissed and agreed upon in the early 1920's. Then all hell broke loose.

ABOUT Joel Osteen. I never got it, to me he doesn't show to be that intellegent at all. To me his shows look like easy entertainment to give people a happy feeling. Well he talks much but tries to make some friendly atmosphere to befriend as much people he wants it seems.
Did he ever disagree and stood up against something authenticly?

Be well.
Thanks Yetzirah, I researched the 1917 League of Nations documents when they set forth the Balfour treaty giving boundaries to the Arab Nations as well as the Jewish Homeland still binding in the U.N.

Israel has retained only a portion of those boundaries , and are still being pressured to give more, yet the Arabs give nothing. It is definitely prejudice against Jews by the whole world.

By this right alone gives Israel the legal right to not divide it's land.The Arabs have 100 times more to give. They disregarded the Arab migrant workers refugees, that sought work from the Jews, and who left Israel when the Arab's warned them they would invade Israel, and they left thinking Israel would fall but it didn't, and then they made up the name Palestine, saying it was their historical nation, and since then destroying any artefact showing it is not.

As far as Joel Osteen, I cannot judge his salvation, but he does not stand for anything but trying to appease everyone and anyone, all for the name of peace, and prosperity.I think Israel knows quite well where that thinking leads. Israel's enemies consider it a weakness to be nice.

I don't think Jeremiah , and Isaiah were too happy with the state of the days affairs. The peace beyond all understanding means just that. To know one may find peace in Yahweh despite being happy or unhappy,and does not depend on whether you are depressed or not because we know
Yahweh has ultimate good in the end for us.That peace stretches much farther, and deeper than the happy feeling of the day. How can one have a happy feeling knowing there is so much evil, and innocent children dying, disease, and starvation,evil, etc. except to turn a blind eye?. That is a dangerous place to be. Kindof like walking across a interstate with your eyes closed.It's good that you see this. It's sad how many Christians do not! Blessings
History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme! Mark Twain

Atheist teen forces school to remove prayer after
49 years.

Published On Sunday, January 29, 2012 06:58:25 AM

She is 16, the daughter of a firefighter and a nurse, a self-proclaimed nerd who loves Harry Potter and Facebook. But Jessica Ahlquist is also an outspoken atheist who has incensed this heavily Roman Catholic city with a successful lawsuit to get a prayer removed from the wall of her high school auditorium, where it has hung for 49 years.

A federal judge ruled this month that the prayer’s presence at Cranston High School West was unconstitutional, concluding that it violated the principle of government neutrality in religion.
In the weeks since, residents have crowded school board meetings to demand an appeal, Jessica has received online threats and the police have escorted her at school, and Cranston, a dense city of 80,000 just south of Providence, has throbbed with raw emotion.

State Representative Peter G. Palumbo, a Democrat from Cranston, called Jessica “an evil little thing” on a popular talk radio show. Three separate florists refused to deliver her roses sent from a national atheist group. The group, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, has filed a complaint with the Rhode Island Commission for Human Rights.

“I was amazed,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the foundation, which is based in Wisconsin and has given Jessica $13,000 from support and scholarship funds. “We haven’t seen a case like this in a long time, with this level of revilement and ostracism and stigmatizing.”

Written by seventh grader
The prayer, eight feet tall, is papered onto the wall in the Cranston West auditorium, near the stage. It has hung there since 1963, when a seventh grader wrote it as a sort of moral guide and that year’s graduating class presented it as a gift. It was a year after a landmark Supreme Court ruling barring organized prayer in public schools.
“Our Heavenly Father,” the prayer begins, “grant us each day the desire to do our best, to grow mentally and morally as well as physically, to be kind and helpful.” It goes on for a few more lines before concluding with “Amen.”
US Christians fold, replace Jesus with Allah in their
newly printed Bibles.

Published On Sunday, January 29, 2012 01:25:41 PM

A controversy is brewing over three reputable Christian organizations, which are based in North America, whose efforts have ousted the words "Father" and "Son" from new Bibles. Wycliffe Bible Translators, Summer Institute of Linguistics (SIL) and Frontiers are under fire for "producing Bibles that remove "Father," "Son" and "Son of God" because these terms are offensive to Muslims."

Concerned Christian missionaries, Bible translators, pastors, and national church leaders have come together with a public petition to stop these organizations. They claim a public petition is their last recourse because meetings with these organizations' leaders, staff resignations over this issue and criticism and appeals from native national Christians concerned about the translations "have failed to persuade these agencies to retain "Father" and "Son" in the text of all their translations."

Biblical Missiology, a ministry of Boulder, Colorado-based Horizon International, is sponsoring the petition.
The main issues of this controversy surround new Arabic and Turkish translations. Here are three examples native speakers give:
First, Wycliffe and SIL have produced Stories of the Prophets, an Arabic Bible that uses an Arabic equivalent of "Lord" instead of "Father" and "Messiah" instead of "Son."

Second, Frontiers and SIL have produced Meaning of the Gospel of Christ , an Arabic translation which removes "Father" in reference to God and replaces it with "Allah," and removes or redefines "Son." For example, the verse which Christians use to justify going all over the world to make disciples, thus fulfilling the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19) reads, "Cleanse them by water in the name of Allah, his Messiahand his Holy Spirit" instead of "baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Rev. Bassam Madany, an Arab American who runs Middle East

Resources, terms these organization's efforts as "a western imperialistic attempt that's inspired by cultural anthropology, and not by biblical theology."
Minn. Atheists Mimic Pro-Life Billboards Featuring Babies
By Anugrah Kumar | Christian Post Contributor

An atheist group in Minnesota has put up billboards featuring pictures of babies and attacking religion in the Twin Cities and its members say they are inspired by pro-life ads across the country.

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"Please don't indoctrinate me with religion. Teach me to think for myself," says an illuminated 14 x 48 foot billboard, installed at 725 Washington Ave. N. in Minneapolis by the Minnesota Atheists, a group affiliated with the national organization American Atheists.

"We are all born without belief in gods. Learn how to be a born-again atheist," reads another ad, which measures 10.5 x 36 foot and has been installed at the corner of University Avenue and Lexington Avenue in St. Paul. The billboards, which went up this week and will remain in place until Feb. 19, carry images of smiling babies.

"It's (billboards) turning out to be a pretty popular way to get the message out," the Star Tribune quoted the atheist group's president, August Berkshire, as saying Friday. He said the billboards were in response to a nationwide anti-abortion campaign using pictures of cute babies by the Minneapolis-based group Prolife Across America.

"They use a lot of images of children and that got us thinking: religious indoctrination begins with children as soon as they're old enough to learn," Berkshire said. "If they weren't given this indoctrination, they probably wouldn't believe. It's for people to realize, where did this religion come from? You weren't born with it. It was taught to you. And it's possible to unlearn it."

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#15 Members Chip in $6M for New Campus in Fla.
By Anugrah Kumar | Christian Post Contributor

The new campus of in Wellington, Fla., cost $6 million and yet it is under no financial strain thanks to the megachurch's members from across the country who showed "irrational generosity" in the face of a bad economy.

About 700 people will attend the third worship service on Sunday at the new 32,500-square-foot campus on State Road 7 south of The Mall at Wellington Green. As Oklahoma-based's founder and Senior Pastor Craig Groeschel delivers a sermon via satellite, there won't be any appeals for funds for the new facility.

The megachurch, known for its innovative ways of reaching out to people, draws about 40,000 attendees across the country and they responded to Groeschel's call for donations during previous weeks.

"We will do anything short of sin to reach people who do not know Christ," The Palm Beach Post quoted Groeschel as saying. The attendees, who hear Groeschel's sermon each Sunday by satellite in 14 locations in five states, not only share his vision but also put their money where their mouth is.

"We just stand in awe," said Larry Mayer, the local campus pastor. "Craig says we're going to build in Wellington and people have given very generously in this bad economy. We're talking irrational generosity."

Azriel;If they feed the hungry, and help others find the Lord, I don't have a problem with it,my only question is; does the building outweigh the hungry? I know a church that they pay $500 a month to rent and they feed many poor people, and bring the lost to Jesus.I think what JFJ could do with $6,000,000.00 ?to help the hungry and lost? How much is left after that much spent? I'm not judging, just weighing. controversial[700 people?]
Islamists look to sweep power in Holland elections.

Published On Monday, January 30, 2012 06:58 AM

For the first time in the history of Europe, Islamic organization can participate in the elections. Party For Muslim Netherlands wants to get into parliament in 2015. The Netherlands could become the first country on the continent where the Islamists will participate in the legislature. The far-right sentiment is increasing in the country as well.

The party program leaves no doubt about its nature. Let's start with the fact that only Muslims can be members of the organization. Its aims are to fight against abortion, homosexuality, abuse of religion and religious texts and all kinds of discrimination. It proposed to prohibit all kinds of drugs, including recreational. The main authority in the Netherlands should be the Shura (Islamic council).

There are also no doubts with regard to foreign policy. Activists of the Party for Muslim Netherlands insist on the cessation of support for Israel, withdrawal of Dutch troops from Afghanistan and Iraq, an early admission of Turkey into the EU. Party members are promoting their ideas through the members of city councils of Amsterdam and Rotterdam. Many Muslims live in the major cities of Holland, so Party for Muslim Netherlands has enough voters.
Some of the demands of the organization are shared by the conservative Dutch (there are still some of those). Many residents of the country do not like the open sale of marijuana, gay marriage, and "red light" neighborhoods - in short, everything that made modern Netherlands famous. However, the topic of discrimination and harassment of religious texts is quite slippery. The indigenous people are unlikely to be thrilled with the idea of life under Sharia law under the authority of the Shura.
Bishop Eddie Long Crowned King in Ritualistic Jewish Ceremony


You gotta see this one!This guy was in a homosexual affair and on drugs!Now he's the king of Israel???
Obama: Jesus would back my tax-the-rich policy

President Obama tied his faith to policy issues on Thursday.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- What Would Jesus ... Deduct?
President Obama offered a new line of reasoning for hiking taxes on the rich on Thursday, saying at the National Prayer Breakfast that his policy proposals are shaped by his religious beliefs.

Obama said that as a person who has been "extraordinarily blessed," he is willing to give up some of the tax breaks he enjoys because doing so makes economic, and religious sense.
"For me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus's teaching that for unto whom much is given, much shall be required," Obama said, quoting the Gospel of Luke
Is Your Church Hosting an 'Illegal' Super Bowl Party?
2012 Super Bowl XLVI Church Gatherings Have Strict NFL Restrictions

February 4, 2012|8:16 am
It's that time of the year again and many churches around the nation have organized viewing parties for congregants and general members of the community to gather together and enjoy the annual Super Bowl game. While some are capitalizing on the event as a means of outreach or evangelism, other congregations are using the Patriots-Giants matchup on Sunday as a fundraising event — which could be a violation of the law.

New Destiny Christian Center, led by Pastor Paula White, advertised tickets for its Super Bowl party earlier this week before suddenly declaring the event "free" the morning it was announced tickets had been sold out.

Many churches, such as the late Zachery Tims' New Destiny Christian Center now headed by Pastor Paula White, have organized viewing parties for congregants, providing food and fellowship and perhaps a boost to their finances.

Azriel; I live in Indianapolis, and it amazes me how ritualistic , and pagan the superbowl festivities are. Madonna will be performing at half time, I heard ,she might be hanging on a cross, and ushering in the new world order. while tickets to call girl parties are going for $25,000 a ticket.

Is there something wrong here with churches?I thought they were to worship G-D. I think Jesus overturned the money tables and called it; a den of thieves.??? Am I wrong?
NewSpring Church Cancels Sunday Night Services for Super Bowl

A fan rides on a zip line in downtown Indianapolis, Indiana February 3, 2012, ahead of the NFL's Super Bowl XLVI football game. Super Bowl XLVI between the New England Patriots and the New York Giants is set for play on February 5.

Lead Pastor Perry Noble explained the reason in his blog. "I've been in church work for over 20 years and the one thing I can say is that attendance on Super Bowl Sunday night in church has always been awful! (and…the people who are there are pretending to be looking at youversion on their phone…but they are really checking the score of the game!)," he wrote.

Noble said the church has always tried to compete with the Super Bowl with poor results, so NewSpring made the decision to change its worship times from Sunday night to Saturday night. The megachurch's two Sunday morning worship services are still being held.

The decision, in part, also stemmed from something Noble said he once heard influential pastor Andy Stanley say. Stanley, pastor of North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, Ga., said that one of the things the early church was obsessed with was making a difference and not making a point.

Noble said NewSpring, in regards to the Super Bowl, was not going to "try to make a point, but rather make a difference. We want people to come to church, and we think church should do whatever it takes to get people in the doors."

Give me a break!!

Why not just set up a beer bar?

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