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Gen 1:26 - What is going on here?
#31
(01-22-2014, 07:15 AM)Azriel Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 04:42 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-21-2014, 07:07 AM)Azriel Wrote: Your wrong again, to be one with YHVH is to obey YHVH, else you serve another god.

Bs'd

Did you make up this definition of "one" all by yourself?
No, actually it was said by a Judaic rabbi
Out of curiosity, which Rabbi and what is his affiliation?
#32
(01-20-2014, 05:08 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.
#33
(01-24-2014, 07:18 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-20-2014, 05:08 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.

God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
#34
(01-24-2014, 07:44 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:18 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-20-2014, 05:08 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.

God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Why do you believe in a trinity then? Deut 6:6 talks of G-d in terms of singularity, so we know that "I" is absolutely one with respect to Deut 6:4. Eccl 4:8-9 gives clarity that echad/one can mean a numerical, absolute one.
#35
(01-24-2014, 08:24 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:44 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:18 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-20-2014, 05:08 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.

God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Why do you believe in a trinity then? Deut 6:6 talks of G-d in terms of singularity, so we know that "I" is absolutely one with respect to Deut 6:4. Eccl 4:8-9 gives clarity that echad/one can mean a numerical, absolute one.
God is "I AM"
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
#36
(01-24-2014, 10:14 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 08:24 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:44 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:18 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-20-2014, 05:08 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: But one way or the other, no plural created man. Look in Genesis 5:1; "When God created man ..." In Hebrew this is: "bara Elohiem adam" Here the verb "to create", in Hebrew "bara", is in the singular, indicating clearly that Elohiem who created man is one. The same goes for the very first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." The word created is here written in the singular; it says "bara". If God was a plural, it should have been "baru".
This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.

God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Why do you believe in a trinity then? Deut 6:6 talks of G-d in terms of singularity, so we know that "I" is absolutely one with respect to Deut 6:4. Eccl 4:8-9 gives clarity that echad/one can mean a numerical, absolute one.
God is "I AM"
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
Luke 24:44 notice that J-sus' own words show that he thought he only came as messiah, not G-d

J-sus referred to himself in several places as "I am he", referring to his belief that he was messiah only, not G-d, John 3:28, 4:26, Luke 9:18.

His reference to Abraham is simple when you see that Hashem promised him and Jacob that kings would come from them, including messiah, Gen 17:6, 35:11. In this sense, Abraham and Jacob longed to see the says of the Messiah.

Can you please respond to the usage of "echad" in Eccl 4:8-9?
#37
(01-24-2014, 11:22 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 10:14 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 08:24 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:44 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:18 AM)Nachshon Wrote: This is a great point. Thank you for bringing it up.

God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Why do you believe in a trinity then? Deut 6:6 talks of G-d in terms of singularity, so we know that "I" is absolutely one with respect to Deut 6:4. Eccl 4:8-9 gives clarity that echad/one can mean a numerical, absolute one.
God is "I AM"
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
Luke 24:44 notice that J-sus' own words show that he thought he only came as messiah, not G-d

J-sus referred to himself in several places as "I am he", referring to his belief that he was messiah only, not G-d, John 3:28, 4:26, Luke 9:18.

His reference to Abraham is simple when you see that Hashem promised him and Jacob that kings would come from them, including messiah, Gen 17:6, 35:11. In this sense, Abraham and Jacob longed to see the says of the Messiah.

Can you please respond to the usage of "echad" in Eccl 4:8-9?

Well the High Priest and Pilate knew what Jesus claimed.
Did Jesus say no I AM NOT!Big Grin
#38
(01-24-2014, 12:05 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 11:22 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 10:14 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 08:24 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 07:44 AM)Tanachreader Wrote: God isn't plural.
De:6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Why do you believe in a trinity then? Deut 6:6 talks of G-d in terms of singularity, so we know that "I" is absolutely one with respect to Deut 6:4. Eccl 4:8-9 gives clarity that echad/one can mean a numerical, absolute one.
God is "I AM"
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
Luke 24:44 notice that J-sus' own words show that he thought he only came as messiah, not G-d

J-sus referred to himself in several places as "I am he", referring to his belief that he was messiah only, not G-d, John 3:28, 4:26, Luke 9:18.

His reference to Abraham is simple when you see that Hashem promised him and Jacob that kings would come from them, including messiah, Gen 17:6, 35:11. In this sense, Abraham and Jacob longed to see the says of the Messiah.

Can you please respond to the usage of "echad" in Eccl 4:8-9?

Well the High Priest and Pilate knew what Jesus claimed.
Did Jesus say no I AM NOT!Big Grin
He didn't tell them he was G-d. Can you please explain the usage of "echad" in Eccl 4:8-9?
#39
(01-22-2014, 12:18 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 07:15 AM)Azriel Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 04:42 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-21-2014, 07:07 AM)Azriel Wrote: Your wrong again, to be one with YHVH is to obey YHVH, else you serve another god.

Bs'd

Did you make up this definition of "one" all by yourself?
No, actually it was said by a Judaic rabbi
Out of curiosity, which Rabbi and what is his affiliation?
Actually you said this as well in another post!
#40
(01-25-2014, 08:23 AM)Azriel Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 12:18 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 07:15 AM)Azriel Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 04:42 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-21-2014, 07:07 AM)Azriel Wrote: Your wrong again, to be one with YHVH is to obey YHVH, else you serve another god.

Bs'd

Did you make up this definition of "one" all by yourself?
No, actually it was said by a Judaic rabbi
Out of curiosity, which Rabbi and what is his affiliation?
Actually you said this as well in another post!
So did you. I can't remember where your last reference is. Can you please say who this Rabbbi was and his affiliation? It's a simple question.


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