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Is there any proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
#1
Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.
#2
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?
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(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
#4
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.
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(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.

Bs'd

Also the word "lamo" in verse 8 is plural: "For the transgressions of My people He was stricken", it says there in the Hebrew: The plague was upon THEM. Another reason why it cannot speak about JC.
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(01-17-2014, 07:33 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.

Bs'd

Also the word "lamo" in verse 8 is plural: "For the transgressions of My people He was stricken", it says there in the Hebrew: The plague was upon THEM. Another reason why it cannot speak about JC.
You are correct, Sir! Smile
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(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.
Isa:53:9: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:9 uses the Hebrew word "maveth" for death
death (natural or violent); concretely, the dead, their place or state (hades); figuratively, pestilence, ruin:--(be) dead((-ly)), death, die(-d).
#8
(01-17-2014, 12:04 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 04:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Can Christians give proof from the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?

The proof that the servant is Israel is overwhelming.

Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.
Isa:53:9: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:9 uses the Hebrew word "maveth" for death
death (natural or violent); concretely, the dead, their place or state (hades); figuratively, pestilence, ruin:--(be) dead((-ly)), death, die(-d).
Why don't you look at the NIV Interlinear Hebrew Bible for this verse. The form of maveth as you state above is plural in Isa 53:9, thus your J-sus died plural deaths.
#9
(01-17-2014, 01:43 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 12:04 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:14 AM)Feedmysheep Wrote: Why is the proof that the Suffering Servant in chapter 53 is Israel overwhelming ?

Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.
Isa:53:9: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:9 uses the Hebrew word "maveth" for death
death (natural or violent); concretely, the dead, their place or state (hades); figuratively, pestilence, ruin:--(be) dead((-ly)), death, die(-d).
Why don't you look at the NIV Interlinear Hebrew Bible for this verse. The form of maveth as you state above is plural in Isa 53:9, thus your J-sus died plural deaths.
They are still trying to fix the niv, what a mess
Throw it away
#10
(01-17-2014, 03:12 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 01:43 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 12:04 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 07:03 AM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-17-2014, 06:25 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Bs'd

Because that's the way Hashem decided to write the book of Isaiah.

I understand you cannot bring any proof from Isaiah or the rest of the Tanach that Isaiah 53 speaks about the messiah?
It is interesting that you bring this point up because in Isa 53:9, the Hebrew word "bemotaiv", deaths, is used. Since the word is plural, this cannot be a reference to J-sus since Christians all agree that he died only once since his atonement was perfect.
Isa:53:9: And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isaiah 53:9 uses the Hebrew word "maveth" for death
death (natural or violent); concretely, the dead, their place or state (hades); figuratively, pestilence, ruin:--(be) dead((-ly)), death, die(-d).
Why don't you look at the NIV Interlinear Hebrew Bible for this verse. The form of maveth as you state above is plural in Isa 53:9, thus your J-sus died plural deaths.
They are still trying to fix the niv, what a mess
Throw it away
That's okay. Learn some Hebrew so you'll know the truth. You can see Isa 53:9 fairly translated at http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter..._Index.htm. Though, they messed up Isa 53:8.


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