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Daniel 9
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The seventy 'weeks' of Daniel 9



Daniel 9:24-27, King James Version:

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make a reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary and the end of thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."



The Christian interpretation of this prophecy



According to Christianity, this talks about Jesus, but this too is based upon wrong translations, wrong interpretations, and deceit.

"from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks:" This commandment was given in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes, see Nehemiah 2. The claim is that this was in 445 BCE (before the common era) From this point are counted the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks, together 69 weeks. 69 weeks are 483 days. Every prophetic day is supposed to stand for a year of 360 days. This gives us 483 x 360 is 173880 days. In order to convert this to solar years we have to divide this by 365.25, and then we get 476 year.

Are you still with me?

Now when add 476 years to 445 BCE, then we come to 31 CE, the year of the crucifixion of Jesus.

Why the Christian interpretation is wrong



To begin with, the King James translation is quite bad in this prophecy. It's mistakes begin with "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem". It doesn't say "commandment", it says "word". Check the modern day translations which are not so much biased towards the Christian theology as the KJV.

Another mistranslation is: "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:" It doesn't say: "but not for himself", it says: "he will have nothing". But "not for himself" fits so nice with the Christian theology; JC dying for the whole world, not for himself. The only problem is: It isn't written there. There are more mistranslations to come further on.

The Christian explanation counts with years of 360 days. But a Jewish year is not 360 days long. A Jewish month is based on the moon. Every new moon a new month starts. A 'moon-month' is about 29.5 days long. Therefore a 'moon-year' of 12 'moon-months' is 11 days shorter than the solar year. But this is compensated by the fact that there are in every 19 years 7 leap-years, in which there are not 12 months, but 13. This assures that the Jewish year stays in track with the solar year. So there is really no basis for a year of 360 days. And when we count from 445 BCE 483 solar years, then we end up in 38 CE, and everybody agrees that by then Jesus was dead and buried for quite a while.

Another problem is that in the original text of Daniel the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks are not connected. It says that the messiah (anointed one) has to come seven prophetic weeks after the outgoing of the word. The 62 weeks point to the time period of Jerusalem being rebuild.

The prophecy says: "And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off, and shall have nothing; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. " So after the 7 and 62 weeks, in the 70th week, will a messiah be cut of and the sanctuary, that is the Temple, destroyed. Jesus was crucified in 31 or 32 CE. The Temple was destroyed in 70, which is 38 years later. 38 years stand for 38 prophetic days. This is more than 5 prophetic weeks. That means that we get to a total of 69 + 5 = 74 weeks, which are 4 too many. So also here is the Christian interpretation wrong.

In order to squeeze in Jesus into this prophecy the years have to be shortened, the 7 and the 62 weeks have to be connected, and therefore the translation has to be corrupted.

The right explanation of the prophecy



The prophecy ends with the destruction of Jerusalem and the sanctuary, this is the Temple. This destruction happened in 70 CE. The whole prophecy covers 70 prophetic weeks, which stand for 70 x 7 is 490 prophetic days, which are 490 years. The prophecy ends in 70 CE, so it starts in 70 minus 490 is 420 BCE. This prophecy covers the 70 years of the Babylonian exile and the 420 years that the second Temple stood. According to Jewish tradition, the first Temple was destroyed in the year 3338 from creation, this is 423 BCE.

The Hebrew text says: "from the outgoing of the word restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks shall the street be built again and the wall, even in troubled times." The 7 weeks and the 62 weeks are not connected in the text. It makes no sense to connect them, because when the Bible wants to give a time period of 69 weeks, why should it write then 7 weeks and 62 weeks, instead of 69 weeks? Therefore the Revised Standard Version says: "from the going forth of the word to restore and built Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again, with squares and moat, …." The RSV has it right. Just like the RSV is correct in Isaiah 7:14; 'young woman' instead of 'virgin'.

The King James in itself gives an reasonable literal translation of these verses as far as the time frames are concerned, except for the colon, the two dots on top of each other, right after the words 'three score and two weeks:' This colon is not to be found in the original text of Daniel. Read now the KJV text without this colon: "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times." Here you see that without that colon inserted by the translators the KJV says basically the same as the RSV. Now you might understand why there is a big "King James only" movement. When you read the Bible in an accurate translation, Christianity already starts to fall apart.

And also "The Message" translates this correct: "Here is what you must understand: From the time the word goes out to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Anointed Leader, there will be seven sevens. The rebuilding will take sixty-two sevens, including building streets and digging a moat. Those will be rough times."

And also the English Standard Version translates this correct: "Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time."

"from the going forth of the word to restore and built Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks." So seven prophetic weeks after the outgoing of the word, this is 49 years, a messiah has to come already. What is the outgoing of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem? The first one who spoke about the Jewish people returning from exile and rebuilding Jerusalem was the prophet Jeremiah, who prophesized this in the beginning of the Babylonian exile. It was his prophecies which Daniel was studying when he got the vision under discussion, see the beginning of Daniel 9. So from the outgoing of that word, until messiah the prince, would be seven weeks.

Who was the messiah? In order to understand this we first have to understand what is a messiah. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word 'meshiach' which means 'anointed one' It was the custom to anoint kings with oil before they came to power. There were already many anointed kings in Jewish history. Read for instance I Samuel 9:27 to10:1; Here Saul is anointed by Samuel the prophet. And thereby he became a messiah, an anointed one, See Samuel 11:13 up to 12:3: Here in verse 3 king Saul is called G.ds anointed, in the Hebrew 'meshiach'. So also king Saul was a messiah. Look in I Samuel 16:12-13, here the prophet Samuel anoints David, the Hebrew verb for anointing is 'mashach', and he becomes an anointed one, as we can read in II Samuel 23:1; "David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed (in the Hebrew 'meshiach') of the G.d of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said; …"

I Kings 1:39; "And Zadok the priest took an horn of oil out of the tabernacle, and anointed (Hebrew verb 'mashach') Solomon. And they blew the trumpet, and all the people said; G.d save king Solomon." Also Solomon was an anointed one, or messiah: II Chronicles 6:42, here king Solomon prays: "O Lord turn not away the face of thine anointed, …" In the Hebrew: 'meshiach'.

So now we know what is a messiah: An anointed king. And now we can start to figure out who is the messiah from Daniel 9:25

For one thing; we know now who could not have been the messiah from Daniel 9: Jesus. He never was anointed as king by a priest and/or prophet, and he never was a king, in other words: He never was a messiah. Therefore he is disqualified to be the messiah of Daniel 9.

Look in Ezra 1:1, there it says that King Cyrus of Persia gave the order to rebuild the Temple. Now look at Isaiah 45:1; "Thus saith the Lord to His anointed, to Cyrus, ..." We see here that G.d calls the non-Jewish king Cyrus 'His anointed'. This is another cover up of the people who made the King James translation. Both in Isaiah 45:1 and in Daniel 9:25 the Hebrew word 'meshiach' is used, and in Daniel it is translated as 'Messiah', and in Isaiah it is translated as 'the anointed'. The RSV is also here better, it consequentially translates it all with 'anointed one', also in Daniel 9:25.

King Cyrus, whom G.d calls His anointed (His messiah), ordered the rebuilding of Jerusalem, 52 years after the destruction of the first Temple and the exile of the Jewish people. The 52 years stand for 7 prophetic weeks plus three years.

So the anointed one spoken about in Daniel 9:25 is king Cyrus.

But after the commandment of king Cyrus the enemies of the Jewish people obstructed the rebuilding of the Temple. See Ezra 4. About 20 years later, in the year 3408 from creation, 353 BCE, under the reign of king Darius, the rebuilding of the Temple was completed: Ezra 4:24; "Then ceased the work of the house of G.d which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius, king of Persia." These are the 70 years of the Babylonian exile.

The seven weeks start in the year 3338 after creation, 423 BCE, with the destruction of the first Temple and the exile of the Jewish people. They end in 3390 after creation, 377 BCE, with king Cyrus coming into power and ordering the rebuilding of Jerusalem. They are followed by the 62 weeks, which stand for 434 years, and that brings up to 3824 after creation, 63 CE. There is now one week left, who brings us up to 3831 after creation, 70 CE.

Christianity cannot make their account stick, therefore some say that the 70th week still hasn't come yet, and is slated for somewhere in the unknown future. This is of course an act of desperation. After the 69th week comes the 70th week, and not some vacuum, lasting for thousands of years. Also according the Christian interpretation it can't be that the 70th week hasn't come yet, because according to Christian theology the animal sacrifices were abolished with the death of JC. In this prophecy it says: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease," This means that according to the Christian interpretation the death of JC must have been in the middle of the 70th week, that should have been in 31 CE, after which the destruction of the Temple in 70 comes way to late, because this is all scheduled for the last, the 70th week, a 7 year period. But of course, this prophecy has no bearing whatsoever on JC; this speaks about the Romans, who in reaction to the Jewish revolt in 66 laid a siege around Jerusalem which made it impossible for the Jews to bring in sheep and bulls into the city for the sacrificial service. The siege made it impossible to bring in sheep and bulls into the city, so that caused an interruption of the animal sacrifices.

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off," King James

"And after the sixty-two weeks an anointed one shall be cut off," RSV.

The KJV leaves out the word 'an'. In Hebrew this word is never written, there is only an equivalent for 'the'. When that Hebrew word that denotes definiteness is not written before a word, the word 'an' or 'a' is automatically implied. By leaving out this word 'an' the KJV implies that the word 'Messiah' is definite, like 'the Messiah", but also this is wrong; 'a messiah' is a better translation than just 'messiah'.

This speaks about king Agrippas, the last Jewish king at the end of the second Temple period.

"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" This speaks about the Roman Titus, who ordered the destruction of the second Temple.
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I believe it was the Angel of the Lord Gabriel!
He said:
The Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ
Lu:1:26: And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Lu:1:27: To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Lu:1:28: And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Lu:1:29: And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Lu:1:30: And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Lu:1:31: And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Lu:1:32: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Lu:1:33: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lu:1:34: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Lu:1:35: And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Lu:1:36: And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
Lu:1:37: For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Lu:1:38: And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
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(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Why the Christian interpretation is wrong

But "not for himself" fits so nice with the Christian theology; JC dying for the whole world, not for himself.

Actually Eu, the very fact that "JC" as you put it, died with nothing and in his life had nothing, would fit too.

(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: In order to squeeze in Jesus into this prophecy the years have to be shortened, the 7 and the 62 weeks have to be connected, and therefore the translation has to be corrupted.

Where does it say they're not connected? That sounds like your commentary.

(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Who was the messiah? In order to understand this we first have to understand what is a messiah. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word 'meshiach' which means 'anointed one' It was the custom to anoint kings with oil before they came to power.

That is your commentary too.
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"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make a reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

These things must be accomplished or the seventy weeks are not fulfilled.
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(01-21-2014, 07:20 PM)MessianicJew Wrote:
(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Why the Christian interpretation is wrong

But "not for himself" fits so nice with the Christian theology; JC dying for the whole world, not for himself.

Actually Eu, the very fact that "JC" as you put it, died with nothing and in his life had nothing, would fit too.

Bs'd

But the notion that he died for the sins of the whole world is definitely gone.

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(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: In order to squeeze in Jesus into this prophecy the years have to be shortened, the 7 and the 62 weeks have to be connected, and therefore the translation has to be corrupted.

Where does it say they're not connected? That sounds like your commentary.

About every Christian interpreting this prophecy says so. Because the Christian interpretation cannot make the account stick.

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(01-21-2014, 04:34 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Who was the messiah? In order to understand this we first have to understand what is a messiah. Messiah comes from the Hebrew word 'meshiach' which means 'anointed one' It was the custom to anoint kings with oil before they came to power.

That is your commentary too.

Everybody who knows Hebrew and who knows a little bit of the history of Israel knows that these are the facts.

(01-21-2014, 08:00 PM)ThomasDGW Wrote: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make a reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

These things must be accomplished or the seventy weeks are not fulfilled.

Bs'd

All these things have been fulfilled.
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Joh 5:42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
Joh 5:43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

And this is the man you will believe to be messiah...


2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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(01-22-2014, 02:28 AM)IamBenny Wrote: And this is the man you will believe to be messiah...

Bs'd

The man who will fulfill the messianic prophecies, that is the man I will believe to be the messiah.

JC did not fulfill the messianic prophecies, therefore he was NOT the messiah.
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(01-22-2014, 04:36 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 02:28 AM)IamBenny Wrote: And this is the man you will believe to be messiah...

Bs'd

The man who will fulfill the messianic prophecies, that is the man I will believe to be the messiah.

JC did not fulfill the messianic prophecies, therefore he was NOT the messiah.

Fulfilled by the Jew Yeshua
Witnessed by the Jewish people
Recorded by the Jews
Despised by Jewish puppet's of Rome who you admire and follow.
Do a search in the Gospel with the word fulfilled

You and yours Eliyahu are just another cult on planet earth.
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(01-22-2014, 04:36 AM)Eliyahu Wrote:
(01-22-2014, 02:28 AM)IamBenny Wrote: And this is the man you will believe to be messiah...

Bs'd

The man who will fulfill the messianic prophecies, that is the man I will believe to be the messiah.

JC did not fulfill the messianic prophecies, therefore he was NOT the messiah.
All is not finished yet. It shall come as the prophets have written. You say Jesus did not fulfill the Messianic prophesies, yet the One Israel waits for has been silent from 400 years before Yeshua.

YHVH came first to prepare the hearts of His people before He can defend, and carry in His wings that Remnant to be righteous, by Grace. The Promise of Abraham was conceived by Grace else all Israel would have perished. Isaiah 53:6. All we in verse 6 includes not just some , but all Israel. Yeshua did not come to relinquish the Law, but establish and fulfill the Law.[Jeremiah 31:31-33]

In Daniel 9:26 shows the Messiahs death. Yeshua has risen above death by Hashems Hand to return again that Israel shall endure in Peace forever. It appears Israel has been molded by tragedies from it's unbelief with her Creator. Israel is on the brink of the war of Gog and Magog, Ezekiel 38 in which Israel shall survive by Hashems Hand and Yeshua shall make His Name known to Israel by protecting Israel. The shall the veil shall be lifted from the eyes of the children of the remnant of the 12 tribes of Israel.

All is not finished yet, but one thing is certain; All nations who have, and are mettling with Israel, forcing land for peace and Israel's enemies who seek Israel's destruction, will be torn to pieces and destroyed. In the end , only Israel will remain and all the earth shall see Meshiachs Glory and Power from His Fathers Hand.

Israel waits, and prepares as we speak for the sacrifice of the red heifer. Israel has it's red heifer for sacrifice, to mix the ashes left yet unfound, with the 9 sacrifices before in the Temple, then Israel believes they will see Meshiach, they might be right. The 3rd. Temple is underway, all the vessels made, and the blueprints laid out to be constructed next to the Dome of the rock near the western wall, waiting for the opportune time to begin construction, when they believe the turmoil of dividing Israel is brought to conclusion for good ot for bad.. This would set off the kindling fire of the Holy war of Islams Jhad against Jerusalem. The blood of the Assyrians still stands at Israel's surrounding borders waiting for Israels destruction. Iran, and the Kings of the North and South prepare war against Israel, war may happen even before the Temples construction. War is certain, and Peace will never come until the Messiah comes in the Fathers Hand.

To those who are after YHVH' Heart,they shall endure the fire of evil, and Hashems Righteousness will mold them into a vessel of His Honor ;as the Potter shapes His vessel.
To those who do not accept Hashems Hand of Grace of the Meshiach, suffer to be reprobate, without conscience, or conviction and left to mans natural sin nature.
One day Israel shall be the overflowing Grace to the world, and Peace shall reign eternal in YHVH through Meshiach, and the Lion of Judah shall sit on the throne of Israel. Certainly all is not finished else you would believe in Yahoshua.
Blessings, and prayers to you and your family, and for Israel! undivided. I stand with you, and support you to believe freely how YHVH leads you, and hope through our indifferences we may both realize we both stand and fight for Israel undivided, and the blessings of the 12 tribes of Israel, and know the G-D of Israel is the True G-D of all Heaven and earth.
Shema Yisrael
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"All these things have been fulfilled."

So, there are no more transgressions, sins have ended, righteousness is everlasting, and vision and prophecy are sealed up, and the most Holy is anointed. What is the name of this world you love in?


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