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"Messianic prophecies", quoted by the NT
#11
(01-24-2014, 02:28 AM)Eliyahu Wrote: Matthew 2:23 “And he went and dwelt in a city called Nazareth, that what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled, "He shall be called a Nazarene."”

This prophecy won't take up much time, because you can go through the whole Hebrew Bible, and NOWHERE is it written that the messiah should live in Nazareth, or the he should be called “Nazarene”.

So the NT is also giving non-existing prophecies.
I have already addressed Isaiah 7:14 in another thread with you, so I won't be redundant and repeat myself, but as to this verse, I thank you for bringing it to the table; Hooray a new discussion!

The dictionary defines; "Nazareth as a town, and uniquely in the Greek form the New Testament was written: separated, in the Greek form of the Hebrew netser, a "shoot" or "sprout.""

"Thus the word "Nazarene" carries with it an allusion to those prophecies which speak of Yeshua as "despised of men" (Isa. 53:3). In this name there is an allusion to the Hebrew netser, which signifies a branch or sprout. It is so applied to the Messiah (Isa. 11:1), he whom the prophets called the Netse, the "Branch." (Easton's Bible dictionary, Nazarene)

.The Hebrew Bible passages regarding branch are: Is 4:2; 11:1; 53:2; Jer 23:5; 33:15; Zech 3:8; 6:12.
The Hebrew Bible passages that Yeshua was despised, humiliated and hated: Psa. 22:6-8; 69:8; Isa 49:7
The prophecy of the Branch who was Yeshua: "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the Lord." Zechariah 6:12

Isa 53 combines both the idea of "branch" and humiliation". "For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, And like a root out of parched ground; He has no stately form or majesty That we should look upon Him, Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him. He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him." Isaiah 53:2-3

So for one to say they are a Nazarene would be personally humiliating and degrading. It would cause people to look down on you... just as Isa 53 says.
Yet Jesus bears the name with pride: Acts 22:8 "I am Yeshua the Nazarene."
Do not forget the etymological connection with Nazarene and neser (branch)many passages have been misunderstood by the dialect of the time period and ,metaphors that are taken literally today. Even if you disregard this post as factual it is still clear in the sense that Yeshua would be despised and looked down upon. In this way, the Hebrews, who despised and looked down upon Nazarenes, would immediately make the connection.
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon defines the word
Nazoraios

Definition
Nazarite = "one separated"
Jesus' birth was in Bethlehem (fulfilling the prophecy in Micah 5:2)and later moved to Nazareth Josephs hometown.

So in metaphorical interpretation; the word Nazareth, was used in symbolism, and in literal interpretation , in the Greek form of the Hebrew ;netser, a "shoot" or "sprout, and or one separated


May you have all the blessings of YHVH in your continued study of Torah
#12
(01-24-2014, 11:09 AM)Tanachreader Wrote: IN 33 YEARS OF THE MESSIAH,
[color=#800000]JESUS WAS

Bs'd

In those 33 years he was not capable of fulfilling the messianic prophecies, therefore he was NOT the messiah.
#13
Seekers and believers alike will find helpful information about messianic prophecies in Michael L. Brown's book "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Messianic Prophecy Objections," which is volume 3 in his series. He discusses Isaiah 42, 52-53; Daniel 9; Psalms 2, 22, 26, 40, 45 and 110; as well as many other key prophetic passages.

The book, as well as the series, is available through the "Store" section of this Jews for Jesus web site, as well as through other outlets.
#14
(01-25-2014, 10:38 AM)MAlan Wrote: Seekers and believers alike will find helpful information about messianic prophecies in Michael L. Brown's book "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus: Messianic Prophecy Objections," which is volume 3 in his series. He discusses Isaiah 42, 52-53; Daniel 9; Psalms 2, 22, 26, 40, 45 and 110; as well as many other key prophetic passages.

The book, as well as the series, is available through the "Store" section of this Jews for Jesus web site, as well as through other outlets.

Bs'd

You're in the bookselling business now?

Just post that supposed helpfull information here and we'll look at it.

But also that "helpfull information" cannot change the fact that Isaiah 53 does not at all speak about the messiah.

It cannot change the fact that the messianic prophecies are NOT fulfilled by JC.

It cannot change the fact that the NT rips Tanach text which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever out of context, and presents them as "messianic prophecies fulfilled by JC", something which they are obviously not.
#15
(01-24-2014, 03:53 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:26 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:01 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 02:48 PM)Tanachreader Wrote: Nachshon you can not cleanse that which is clean. If you tried than you have waisted your time. We are not talking about washing up after a hard days work.
There was nothing a dead body could do to Jesus. He had the power to heal all disease.
Holy and Pure had no Sin
Yeshua is the Lord.
ONE thing He could not do is Sin so nothing, bulls, blood or ashes would be involved when the Lord is sinless.
The problem is J-sus became unclean by contact with the dead. There's no avoiding this. And if he was perfect in the law, then he would have to be cleansed by the "waters for purification for sin", from the Red Heifer, Numbers 19. You admittedly say he took on sin, so he is no longer sinless, or god.

Your approach has contradictions, galore!

No they became clean by Him. He did the works of His Father to clean and polish
Numbers 19 - even the person appying the "waters for purification of sin" becomes defiled himself. Please go back and read the thread "Yeshua and the Red Heifer".
Yeshua can not be defiled
Neither was Elijah defiled, he was perfect in the law
#16
(01-28-2014, 11:03 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:53 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:26 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:01 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 02:48 PM)Tanachreader Wrote: Nachshon you can not cleanse that which is clean. If you tried than you have waisted your time. We are not talking about washing up after a hard days work.
There was nothing a dead body could do to Jesus. He had the power to heal all disease.
Holy and Pure had no Sin
Yeshua is the Lord.
ONE thing He could not do is Sin so nothing, bulls, blood or ashes would be involved when the Lord is sinless.
The problem is J-sus became unclean by contact with the dead. There's no avoiding this. And if he was perfect in the law, then he would have to be cleansed by the "waters for purification for sin", from the Red Heifer, Numbers 19. You admittedly say he took on sin, so he is no longer sinless, or god.

Your approach has contradictions, galore!

No they became clean by Him. He did the works of His Father to clean and polish
Numbers 19 - even the person appying the "waters for purification of sin" becomes defiled himself. Please go back and read the thread "Yeshua and the Red Heifer".
Yeshua can not be defiled
Neither was Elijah defiled, he was perfect in the law
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled. The Tanakh doesn't have to relate that they "need the waters of the Red Heifer" because it is understood, just like a pregnant woman cannot be a virgin.
#17
(01-28-2014, 12:01 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-28-2014, 11:03 AM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:53 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:26 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-24-2014, 03:01 PM)Nachshon Wrote: The problem is J-sus became unclean by contact with the dead. There's no avoiding this. And if he was perfect in the law, then he would have to be cleansed by the "waters for purification for sin", from the Red Heifer, Numbers 19. You admittedly say he took on sin, so he is no longer sinless, or god.

Your approach has contradictions, galore!

No they became clean by Him. He did the works of His Father to clean and polish
Numbers 19 - even the person appying the "waters for purification of sin" becomes defiled himself. Please go back and read the thread "Yeshua and the Red Heifer".
Yeshua can not be defiled
Neither was Elijah defiled, he was perfect in the law
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled. The Tanakh doesn't have to relate that they "need the waters of the Red Heifer" because it is understood, just like a pregnant woman cannot be a virgin.
You wrote:
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled.

I said that way back in the post!
ALL ISRAEL is defiled because they bury their dead and don't have the Red Heifer

Jesus is God and as soon HIS HAND OF LIFE touched a human it had life. Nothing can defile the Son of God.
His hands are as LIGHT and cast out Darkness.
Darkness CANNOT enter LIGHT!
#18
(01-28-2014, 01:31 PM)Tanachreader Wrote: You wrote:
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled.

I said that way back in the post!
ALL ISRAEL is defiled because they bury their dead and don't have the Red Heifer

Jesus is God and as soon HIS HAND OF LIFE touched a human it had life. Nothing can defile the Son of God.
His hands are as LIGHT and cast out Darkness.
Darkness CANNOT enter LIGHT!
So, basically J-sus remained defiled and did not fulfill the commandment. Ok.
#19
(01-28-2014, 09:53 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-28-2014, 01:31 PM)Tanachreader Wrote: You wrote:
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled.

I said that way back in the post!
ALL ISRAEL is defiled because they bury their dead and don't have the Red Heifer

Jesus is God and as soon HIS HAND OF LIFE touched a human it had life. Nothing can defile the Son of God.
His hands are as LIGHT and cast out Darkness.
Darkness CANNOT enter LIGHT!
So, basically J-sus remained defiled and did not fulfill the commandment. Ok.

Your defiled one, Yeshua is the HOLY Alpha and Omega.
#20
(01-29-2014, 04:08 PM)Tanachreader Wrote:
(01-28-2014, 09:53 PM)Nachshon Wrote:
(01-28-2014, 01:31 PM)Tanachreader Wrote: You wrote:
Any person who comes in contact with the dead becomes defiled.

I said that way back in the post!
ALL ISRAEL is defiled because they bury their dead and don't have the Red Heifer

Jesus is God and as soon HIS HAND OF LIFE touched a human it had life. Nothing can defile the Son of God.
His hands are as LIGHT and cast out Darkness.
Darkness CANNOT enter LIGHT!
So, basically J-sus remained defiled and did not fulfill the commandment. Ok.

Your defiled one, Yeshua is the HOLY Alpha and Omega.
So he's Greek and not Jewish? You can't be holy when the spirit leaves you before the start of your ministry and before your death. Contradictions!


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